Afrikaans ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_Afrikaans

Seventy-four Arabic Afrikaans texts are extant. The earliest, the "Hidyat al-Islam", is dated 1845, though its source manuscript no longer exists. The oldest surviving manuscript, which describes the basic Islamic learning, was written by the imam Abdul-Kahhar ibn Abdul-Malik in 1868. The most professional version was written in 1869 by Abu Bakr Effendi, who came from Istanbul to the Cape in 1862.

Arabic Afrikaans (Arabies Afrikaans, عربس افركانس) or Lisan-e-Afrikaans (لسانِ افرکانس) was a form of Afrikaans written in Arabic script. It began in the 1830s in the madrasa in Cape Town.

Most of my Muslim Malay friends only speak Afrikaans .

I identify as South African never felt Afrikaans --Roman Catholic not Calvinist .
Most of my Dad's family Apostolic Faith Mission these days some LDS .
My Mother's parents Anglican and UK Passports .

Transcription of the Arabic-alphabet text. The italics mark non-Afrikaans words:

Iek bagent diesie kitab met Allah (ta'ala) sain naam. Allah (ta'ala) es rizq giefar ien dunya fer al wat liefandag ies. Allah (ta'ala) es beriengar ien die gannat ien dag ahirat fer al die miesie an djinns wat oewhap iman gadoet het. Al die dank an parais es rieg fer Allah (ta'ala) alien. Allah (ta'ala) het gagief fer oewhans Islam sain agama. Islam sain agama oek waas gawies fantefoewhar Ibrahim sain agama... An Allah (ta'ala) het gamaak die Qur'an rasulullah sain hadit fer seker dalil fer oewhans... An Allah (ta'ala) het galaat oewhans wiet die riegtie wieg fan die ilms an gahelp fer oewhans oewham ta lier ander miesie oewhap die riegtie manierie.

Translation into modern standard Afrikaans:

Ek begin hierdie boek met Allah (hy is verhewe) se naam. Allah (h.i.v.) is onderhouer in die wêreld vir al wat lewendig is. Allah (h.i.v.) is bringer in die paradys in die laaste dag vir al die mense en djinns wat oop iman gedoen het (m.a.w. in die geloof gesterwe het). Al die dank en prys is reg vir Allah (h.i.v.) alleen. Allah het gegee vir ons Islam se godsdiens. Islam se godsdiens ook was gewees vantevore Abraham se godsdiens...En Allah (h.i.v.) het gemaak die Koran en die profeet se hadit vir seker bewys vir ons...En Allah (h.i.v.) het gelaat ons weet die regte weg van die godsdienswetenskappe en gehelp vir ons om te leer ander mense op die regte manier.

Afrikaans was in actuality a language coming from Europe which was brought to South African by Jan van Riebeeck and the sailors coming from the Netherlands, France and Belgium. Flemish and most words seem to originate from Flemish, thus Belgium. Dutch is an extremely guttural language, and a few letters come from Dutch, and very, very few from German. Some names have French spelling, and sound, but none have French origination.

If it was Weyer, then German.
Most of us 1858s (and 1872) in the Border area spoke Platt or Hocht (and even Wend) depending on origin.
Mixture of Lutheran, Baptist or Roman Catholic.
As the linga franca was English or Xhosa, English predominated. They were also taught Dutch (the other official language) in school. Afrikaans only became official in about 1925.
The older ones had a habit of talking English, German, Xhosa, Dutch and Afrikaans in one story.
"The farr mer drove in with his Farr go with the worr ld on the bonnet and the cab bages in the back.
The Afrikaans Germans were mostly from the VOC in the 1700s. Kruger etc who became Calvinists.

My very limited understanding regarding the name in South Africa is that there were two Weyer (to graze - herdsman?) family lines in the Cape in the 1700s, one Hendrikz Weijer from Limburg province, Netherlands and later Stephanus Janse Weÿers of Groningen, Netherlands.

As to the Weyer family name, by 1650, the name was spread throughout Europe including France and Poland. An example of limited records from Holland for this period (church records there only started circa 1550-1600):

Name Role Event Date Place Source

Abraham Schorteijn Weyer Beluid Vermeld 07-12-1675 Sneek Church burials
Abraham Weyer Second party Notarial deed 28-11-1678 Notarial records
Abraham Weyer, vader Constituant Notariale akte 10-08-1664 Notarial records
Adriaan Mels van de Weyer Father Baptism 03-04-1667 Breda Church baptisms
Albert van Overmeer, zoon van + Weyer van Overmeer
Constituant Notarial deed 11-03-1696 Notarial records
Alexander de Weyer Father Baptism 22-07-1685 Bergen op Zoom Church baptisms
Anna Weyer Registered Marriage 18-07-1722 Dordrecht Church marriages
Anna Willebrordi van de WeyerWitness Baptism 20-07-1690 Vlierden Church baptisms
Anna Willebrordi van de WeyerWitness Baptism 20-07-1690 Vlierden Church baptisms
Anna van de Weyer Witness Baptism 19-03-1721 Lieshout Church baptisms

Afrikaans? Just a Language?

As to "white" "Afrikaners" (if I have ANY right to voice a humble opinion), methinks that they are culturally not the same as Europeans insofar that there was a strong sense of alienation from and persecution by Europeans/English (eg Huguenots being persecuted from at least 1572, Dutch taxes (“opgaafrolle”) in the Cape, Batavian Republic and then the English from 1814ish).

Life in Africa in the 1700s being very different to that in Europe leading to descendents being African.

In addition, Scottish animosity against the English following the defeat by Charles 1 was very strong, and that influence came through to the later people of the western Cape and Trek Boers (oppressed by English colonisers) via their Scots pastors in the earlier 1800s (Thom, Murray, Reid etc.) thus contributing to Boer nationalism, a separate identity and a formalised language.

There are many similarities with the oppressed Acadians (Cajuns) who were equally divergent and alienated from Europeans and who forged a new life from scratch in Louisiana .

Mark - very well put.
Also 2 xtra Weyers/ Weyer lines 1850's British German Legion soldiers settled in Eatern Cape. One related to my family. My own Weyers family links to 11th century in lower
Rhine region Süchteln ,Moers and Grefrath on Dutch border yet no y-dna match to Dutch Weyer family. Some did settle Nijmegen and Barle Hertog late 1800's. Currently 5 different y-dna for Weyers on FTDNA.
Weyer also weir or pond meaning or a partisan ( polearm ) as on family blazon.
We must remember that most of the Afrikaans speaking in the Cape were not so alienated and even fought on the "Anglo" side in Anglo-Boer War . A war more about GOLD/Money than anything else.
Both Afrikaans and English-speaking South Africans are very much more African than Dutch or British .
"White" Afrkaners ? I do not believe looking at genealogy here on Geni that there are any.
Myself descendant of too many slaves from Africa ,South Eastern Asia and Madagascar.
Food served by any shade of Afrikaans speaking South Africans definitely connect them as a cultural group.

In Moorreesburg where I live you have individuals with English names that identify as Afrikaans yet hardly any Dutch or "Afrikaans " ancestry.
80 % of population speak Afrikaans and identify as being Afrikaans yet less than 10% were "white " under the NAT Government. So many of them were alienated and disenfranchised by other Afrikaners but they are still Afrikaans.

I see Phillip Krull descendant of 1850's Germans -- some of those were French ,Belgian ,German ,Prussian and even some Italians. A friend Chrstopher Peters o so very English from Bathurst believed his family from UK but no they were German and his grt grt granny a Dutch descendant.
My surname in same family Weyer ,Weijers ,Weyher ,Weiher ,Weir ,Weyers.

Also another German Weyers suddenly popped up in Graaff -Reinet 1805 not known how he got to the Cape.
Think his descendants mostly English South Africans

"Afrikaans was in actuality a language coming from Europe which was brought to South African by Jan van Riebeeck and the sailors coming from the Netherlands, France and Belgium." This is definitely not the case. The deepest origin of Afrikaans lies in the Khoi and slaves that traded with first the Portuguese (who spoke the Malay-Portuguese lingua of the traders of the day). When the Dutch Jan van Riebeeck landed in what was to become known as the Cape, Autshumato - chief of the Goringhaikona - and his niece Krotoa already spoke a prototype of Afrikaans. This influence gave Afrikaans a distinctly different character than that of Dutch, because it developed to "speak Africa", not European. Yes, today 80% of this language vocabulary is near to Dutch, but this was a late 20th century development, when the language was purposefully developed for inter alia academic purposes. This is also true for Bahasa Indonesia. Consult a dictionary and you will see that more or less 80% of this language's vocabulary is derived from Dutch. Today the majority of Afrikaans speakers are neither white nor Calvinists. Afrikaans people are not Europeans. We are the descendants of peoples from right across the globe: North, South, East and West. As our language, we were made in South Africa.

The Border Weyers come from Christian (1 child) and Martin (5 children) who came from Wollin (suspect it is the one south west of Berlin) on the Wilhelmsburg 13 January 1859. They settled in Potsdam between East London and KingWilliamsTown.These Germans tended to intermarry, so we will all have familial connections. Weyer and Peter are in the creeper that evolved. My Krulls hired an English Governess to teach the children, so English natural was re inforced as the language. I knew a Dutch Paediatrician working at a local hospital, that maintained the roots of Afrikaans lay not in Dutch (Nedelands) nor Flemmish (Vlaams) but the dialect of north eastern Holland. Frisian? with the strong germanic influence. Many employees of of the VOC possibly originated from this area.
Afrikaans was very adoptive in developing. Khoi, Dutch, French, Malay, Portugese, English were absorbed and fitted into this truely African language.
The pukka Pom Germans were probably "subsumed" by their surrounding Brits (remember 1820 were British Settlers, English, Welsh, Scots and Irish).
I landed up in an Army bungalow that was totally Afrikaans. Even the Macdonald brothers spoke broken English. After a week, I was thinking in Afrikaans!
2 weeks later, the corporal swore at someone on the opposite end of the bungalow calling him a "Soutie".
His name was Wentzel from Graaff-Reinet!
Hell, we are really a "Mengelmoos"!
We are South African, despite the statements to the conterary!

Brilliantly put Sandra. Yes Afrikaans was very dutchified in early 1900's I believe to give Afrikaners a more defined specific identifiable European origin even the whole Great Trek commemoration new " culture " created..
English South Africans from UK and Afrikaans from Netherlands.
Philip Krull we were called uitlanders when I grew up my Both my grandfathers lost their employment in 1948 for not being real Afrikaners -- the real reason. Other relatives ddecided rather to move to Zambia, Kenya or Rhodesia in 1948.

Philip - also Gustave Michael Weyer from Schönebeck 1858 to SA he was my grt grandfather's cousin. Family settled East london ,Uitenhage and Prince Albert.
Henrich Weyers my grandfather said also our Weyer family but no male descendants so difficult to confirm.
Some border Weyers/ Weyer descendants of Frederich Weyers Graaff-Reinet.

Interesting that my oldest confirmed ydna match from when more modern recognized nations could be identified actually from 800 ade Kent , UK. So I am English or Saxon ?
DUTCH a designation for people from modern day Netherlands and Germany originally we must remember.

basis waaruit Afrikaans by die VOIC ontstaan het het gekom van Zeeuws-wat reeds n mengelmoes van Franse,Spaanse,Duitse en Romeinse dialekte was.Nederlands het dit as n verbastering van Nederlans gesiien en die Voic het amptelik Hoog hollands as taal gehad.Die hoer range in die Voic was amper almal Nederlanders en die skeepslui en amptenary het bestaan uit godsdienstige vlugtelinge van die RK en ortodokse kerke.Daar was ook baie werkslose soldate
woorde ien spreekwyse het bygekom.Hier terplaatse het Portugese .Griekwa en later ook Zulu en n deel gevorm.Tans verander dit na mengels en is daar verskeie dialekte wat nou die bakermat wil wees..Afrikaans is dus n dialek wat jy praat wat meestal met n kultuur saamgaan..Ek is afrikaans en my voorgeslag het Moslems.Budime,RK,Gereformeerde en hervormde kerke en ook genealogies Indo Germaans, Cinees/maleis en Adam Kok se nageslag.Baie het al gepoog om n eng definisie te gee -in my mening dit bestaan nie.Wees trots Afrikaans -n genetiese samestelling van die wereld.Ek ngaan nie verder meegesels nie--die onderwerp neig altyd na politiek

So n nagedagte Wanner is jy Duits of Engels of Khoi?Die engels sprekendes{ook van my famielie} in SA het nie n identifikasie nie.Moet die Khoi--__Net die naam gewers sal dalk weet wanner jy khoi is .Politieke korrektheid maak dit baie moeilik om die "nasie"se spore te volg---ek het berus dat dit enigetyd net so deurmekaar is as Europa -net minder opgeteken.

Ai toggie!

Just a very humble questionable right or wrong thought to add as regards Afrikaans and most other African/international languages.

In a hundred year's time, where will the languages of the present world be? One thing I perceive is that all languages will be coloured by a huge number of new words, many describing concepts and technologies not yet born, and a release of older words which are no longer useful, together with an integration of international languages.

Does this mean that most present languages will cease to exist? Quite probably as to the less used smaller languages, while more spoken world languages will be substantially different to that of today and likely share similar words with the other more used languages of the future.

Just a humble questionable right or wrong thought.

Evolution of languages from first word uttered by a human .
The vernacular adaptations always more successful than any Academy of Language that try to force the language into a tiny box.
Yet a common language ?
Loxal adaptations create even then independent unique new languages.
Even English in UK not the same In the North as in London; a good example.

The Afrikaanse Akademie have tried to enforce their Dutchified Afrikaans in SA on South Africans but completely unsuccessful as that necer works.

Afrikaans started with the ordinary people in the Cape .
Was hijacked by Apartheid Afrikaans supporters but that did not succeed as the bulk of real Afrikaans speakers they classified as Coloured.
Those " white " Afrikaners then tried to marginalize and disenfranchised them. There are NO " white " Afrikaners they are all mixed race anyway; tried to deny their own grt grandparents . Time to look in the miirror and accept themselves.
Even tried to steal their Language AFRIKAANS. So many of those ran away at first sign of commitment to the South African country and nation. Only in SA for the good times .

Mark - just xtra ! Surname Weyer more likely Wigere a spear or Partisan or Weir as in a pond of water

Maybe Weyer from Villa or Villare but never a grazer or herdsman. Weber or Wewer to Weyer another possibility
980 ade used in Germany allready.

Wow not a very pleasant thread to read

Teuns Roux -Why is the truth not pleasant ?
The treatment of most people in SA not pleasant for more than 100 years. Do you think it was very pleasant for us ?

Time we in South Africa learn to accept our ancestry, stop denying who we really are.
Also accept how many Afrikaners have hurt , mistreated and still abuse their own relatives just because their skin is a darker shade or they belong to the wrong church.

Phillip jy is som effe agter die tyd --Tans is die wat nog dink afrikaans is n Eurpese taal virropeense afkoms in die minderheid .Die taal was nog altyd hier en in sy oorsprong ,n middel tot kommunikaqseie..Dit het sedert die TV en Engelse invloed so erg verander dat ek dink die Engels moet nou deel word vandie Mengels-die moderne afrikaans

Low Dietsch -- when I visited Belgium iften people thought my Afrikaans just a dialect from somewhere in Flanders