Locked and wrong

We need to figure out what, specifically, is being objected to here, Phillip:

*1.MP Profiles that are locked down completely? Those should be pretty rare and left over from the days before Curators could lock specific Data Fields or Relationships. We used to do that to avoid repeated mismerges.

Only solution there is to get that Curator or another one to unlock the whole profile, and re-lock the specific Data Fields and Relationships according to primary documentary sources. As this is just a leftover from years ago, it shouldn't be difficult to do.

• 2.MP Profiles where a Curator has locked specific fields which documentation actually proves to be wrong?
• 3.MP profiles that are not field locked, but that you don't have access to change fields on yourself because you're a free user?

Summary -

Only a curator can merge a fully locked profile.

Anyone with manager / collaborating rights can merge a relationship locked profile, field locked profile, or unlocked MP.

Editing to correct errors in locked profiles or fields can only be done by a curator

So requesting to collaborate or be added as a manager can help in some cases - the locked fields etc. are still problematic if the curator involved doesn't respond. I can only suggest that you try contacting another curator or contact Customer services if you still get nowhere. I am happy to help if I can.

So it's 2.MP Profiles where a Curator has locked specific fields which documentation actually proves to be wrong?

Is this happening often? Is it part of your excellent campaign for accuracy of chronologically accurate place names? If so, how long do you think is fair for a Curator to have time to respond and unlock. A week or two?

...respond to a private messaged request to unlock that field

Other users in this Discussion, can you post links here to the profiles you're having problems with > so we can figure out solutions that help everyone?

RE> Maybe rather not lock a field even on a MP when not confirmed by a primary source.

I completely agree with you. I'm happy to try to get all the SA Curators to endorse this as well.

Sounds like a good plan to me. I respond to messages daily if not in a couple of days unless I am away (which very seldom happens). Usually keeps me busy for the first half of the day.

Phillip - setting up a discussion page is something we have discussed - will open it up and post link here.

What would the question be that wouldn't create a Discussion that would be quickly overwhelmed by personal preference disputes?

Curators, please unlock a documentably incorrect field? (A bit clumsy?)

https://www.geni.com/discussions/235348

I called it Curators - SA please unlock these fields for editing.

On Jan Voster's comment: IF EVERYBODY AGREES TO USING PLACE NAMES AS THEY WERE AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT THEN NOTHING NEEDS TO BE LOCKED. This is common logic.

This is the SA standard > but not enforceable. Different areas of the world tree on geni adopt different standards > many using the modern place. 

Locking fields on historical profiles is the only way to ensure they remain what 'we' have agreed on amongst SA users.

Thanks June.

Adriaan, you can choose to edit the location fields by hand - if you open them up and ignore the GEni automated suggestions that are often laughable when it comes to SA. That's the way to do it.

It's definitely not locked, Phillip. It may be that you don't collaborate with any of the managers?

There may have been a tree conflict on the parents that you can't correct as a free user. Additionally, restrictions around profiles still living in the past 150 years often kick in.