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See two errors on Wikitree list
1. North west Province made out of two parts -one from former Transvaal and one from former Cape Province.
2. Kokstad and East Griqualand part of Cape Province before 1978 then Natal and now now part of KZN .

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Wendy Montague Bell wonderful! Glad you had a good time in George, and also happy it is still beautiful. My parents had a farm there for a brief period. It was a stone's throw from Glentana? beach, and a hop and a skip to Herolds Bay which I believe is all built up now. At that time the little hotel at Herolds Bay was in no way equipped for tourists, the bar only seated 6 people, which is where we had our meal that night.

We were first "discovered" by the Dutch in1652.
They landed in the Cape, settled there and built the fort, and farmed there.
The English landed in the Cape, taking over most of the province. Nobody had fences between their properties. The English forced them to fence off the property or lose the same, to the British Empire.
The Dutch left the Cape over the tax and travelled up to the Transvaal. going through the Orange Free State. Certain farmers stayed in the Free State, whereas the vast majority carried on through Natal. Due to this being a very populated province only a few thousand remained behind.
The remainder did a huge turn going to Kimberly where many stayed behind, to mine, for diamonds.
This area is a desert, and in those days was also part of the Cape.
The remainder of the caravan went through to Transvaal, where they began to settle at Vereeniging/Van Ber Bijl Park, finally landing up in Johannesburg. Word had spread that there was gold and so began the gold rush. The remainder of the party which had left the Cape went up to now border of South Africa and (the then) border of Southern Rhodesia, now known as Zimbabwe.
In the 1890 till 1901 the British had two civil wars with the Dutch Finally ending in Johannesburg.

A very simplistic view and very flawed.

Halfway stations before 1600 at Saldanha and Table Bay.
.Griekwa and others from the Cape in interior 1750 's before " Great Trek "
Kimberley diamonds a bit later 1870's
My own family settled before 1810 allready in Griekwa Land West. DRY but not desert.

Hi, despite having started (sporadically) working on geni in 2008, I am still a novice (yes, I am a slow learner).

I have no background in academia/history/genealogy and freely admit I have made many mistakes with regard to naming conventions for people and place names. I have been trying to rectify these and would appreciate some guidance on best practices.

I have read through Not so Brief Welkom Cuzzins Brief and try to follow the guidelines.

I have a few questions regarding best practices for place names.

In the project South African male Progenitors / Stamvaders it states:
Please do not use modern day place names for events that took place when these names did not apply. Do, however, add the modern Country.

Wherever possible, I use the place names as they appear in the source, however this is complicated by the fact that numerous records do not have a place name on the document itself (eg early Cape of Good Hope baptisms found on familysearch.org), in this case I have been using the place name of the collection (ie Cape Town, Cape of Good Hope, South Africa or Het Land van Waveren records which are found in the Tulbagh collection).What would you suggest as an alternative?

I would really appreciate your feedback.

Just using Cape Town ,Cape of Good Hope good choice.
Tulbagh established 1804 so anything before that do not use Tulbagh even though documents stored in Tulbagh.

Often on documents from familysearch when you page back on actual documents to earlier pages you discover where baptism occurred.
Discovered a "Tulbagh " baptism that was a actually Roodezand ,Land van Waveren 10 pages before 1748 .
Stellenbosch for filed under Cape Town another discovery .
A lot of genealogy reaerch e.g Heese or Pama etc. Just used names as it was when they were doing research at that time 1925 or whenever. I do not believe correct.
That also regarding names as on actual baptism documents being transcribed by them as they chose it to be not as it was .

Thanks Phillipp. I appreciate your feedback. I have tried paging back but can't always find a place name. I agree that early researchers transcriptions aren't always exactly as in primary resources.

Sometimes 1000 pages back !! VOILA !
Doopboek vir Drakenstein.
Also seems copies of baptism books were kept in Cape Town. Originals got lost somehow.
Internet amazing-- search a place name and you'll find when established 99 % of the time.

Just a reminder Tulbagh did not exist in 1743.

Neither did Pretoria or Port Elizabeth 🤔

No Western Cape and definitely no Cape Winelands!

Hi J P Weyers

I am trying my best to be more historically accurate going forward.I will go back to old profiles when I get time and correct place names.

Hi Michelle
I see it as a study of South Africa and the whole world --every time i check the name of a place I learn so much .

Beaufort West --
was the first town to be established in the central Karoo.
The town was founded in 1818 and initially named Beaufort after Henry Somerset, 5th Duke of Beaufort, who was the father of Lord Charles Henry Somerset, then governor of the Cape Colony.[4]
The town was renamed Beaufort West in 1869 to avoid confusion with Port Beaufort in the Western Cape as well as Fort Beaufort in the Eastern Cape.

"Chronological order of town establishment in South Africa based on Floyd (1960:20-26)" (PDF). pp. xlv–lii.
Sum of the Main Places Beaufort West, New Town, Kwa-Mandlenkosi and Rustdene from Census 2011.
"Beaufort West, Western Cape - Discover South Africa Blog". Discover South Africa Blog. 2012-03-08. Retrieved 2018-06-21.
Raper, R.E. Dictionary of Southern African Place Names.

Beaufort East is in North Carolina , USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort,_North_Carolina

Possible Fort Beaufort? I do recall people speaking of Beaufort East as a child... Perhaps because it is in the Eastern Cape? No proof of this...

Sandra Smith -- you correct often Fort Beaufort called Beaufort East in the past .