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About Rothilde of the Franks
CHARLES II “le Chauve
s/o Emperor LOUIS I "le Pieux" & Judith [Welf]
x (Quierzy, Aisne 13 Dec 842, separated 867) ERMENTRUDIS (d/o EUDES Comte [ d’Orléans ] &Engeltrudis) (27 Sep [830]-Saint-Denis 6 Oct 869, bur église de l'abbaye royale de Saint-Denis)
1.JUDITH ([844]-after 870)
2.LOUIS (1 Nov 846-Compiègne 10 Apr 879, bur Compiègne, église collégiale Saint-Corneille)
3.CHARLES ([847/48]-near Buzançais, Indre 29 Sep 866, bur Bourges, église de Saint-Sulpice).
4.CARLOMAN (-[877/78])
5.LOTHAIRE (-14 Dec 865)
6.HILDEGARDIS
7. ERMENTRUDIS (-after 11 Jul 877)
8. GISELA
9. ROTRUDIS ([850]-)
xx (12 Oct 869, confirmed Aix-la-Chapelle 22 Jan 870) RICHILDIS (d/o comte BUVINUS [Bouvin] & NN d'Arles (-[30 Jan] [910 or >])
10. ROTHILDIS ([871]-22 Mar 929 Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks confirmed donations of property "in comitatu quoque Cœnomannico" made by "Hugo comes et mater sua Rothildis", at the request of "genitrix nostra Adeleidis et…comes Hugo consanguineus, necnon et…comes Ecfridus" by charter dated 1 Nov 900[277]. The charter dated 929 subscribed by "Hugonis comitis filii Rotgerii comitis" suggests that Rothildis must have been the wife of Roger[278]. Flodoard names "Rothildis, amitæ suæ [regis Karoli], socrus autem Hugonis" when recording that the king deprived her of "abbatiam…Golam" [Chelles] in favour of his favourite Haganon, the context dictating that "Hugonis" was "Hugo filius Rotberti"[279]. As the paternal aunt of King Charles III, chronology determines that she must have been the daughter of her father's second marriage, although no source has so far been identified which states this to be the case. She acquired the monasteries of Chelles, and Notre-Dame and Saint-Jean at Laon. She retreated to Chelles in 922 but was deprived of the monastery by her nephew Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks in favour of his favourite Haganon, an event which led to the rebellion of Robert Marquis en Neustrie who was the father of Rothildis's son-in-law (Hugues, later "le Grand" Duc des Francs)[280]. Her death is dated to late 928/early 929 as Flodoard names "Rothildis…nuper defunctæ" when recording that "Heribertus et Hugo comites" (specifying that "Hugo" was "gener ipsius Rothildis") attacked "Bosonem Rodulfi regis frater" in 929 over the property of Rothildis[281]. This is also the only source so far identified from which her marriage is deduced. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "XI Kal Apr" of "Rothildis abbatisse et monache filia regis magni Karoli"[282]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "XI Kal Mar" of "Rotildis abbatissa"[283]. These entries could refer alternatively to Rothildis, daughter of Emperor Charlemagne, but it is more likely that the former entry would have referred to her father as "imperator" if that was the case. m ([890]%29 ROTGER [Roger] Comte, nephew of [HUGUES Comte de Bourges], son of --- (-before I Nov 900). Comte du Maine 897.
11.DROGO ([872/73]-[873/74], bur Abbaye de Saint-Amand, Flanders)
12.PEPIN([872/73]-[873/74], bur Abbaye de Saint-Amand, Flanders)
13.son (23 Mar 875-soon after)
14.CHARLES (10 Oct 876-877 before 7 Apr, bur église de l'abbaye royale de Saint-Denis)
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIleChauveB
PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.
Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude:
- Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde
Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde:
- Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine
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Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)
from https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/rothi000.htm
Rothilde
Wife of Roger, count of Maine.
Abbess of Chelles
Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].
Date of birth: Unknown.
Place of birth: Unknown.
Date of death: Not long before 929.
Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]
Place of death: Unknown.
Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.
As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.
Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.
Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.
For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.
Children:
MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.
[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.
As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.
Commentary
Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.
Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).
Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].
Bibliography
Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.
Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).
Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.
Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.
Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).
Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).
Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.
Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.
Compiled by Stewart Baldwin
Uploaded 10 January 2008.
Rothilde Carolingian Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree in SVG format
Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1
o Birth Notes
+ B: Abt. 871
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1
o Death Notes
+ D: 22 Mar 0927/28
Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace
They had a daughter named Richilde.
Female Richilde De Bourges
Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2
+ Birth Notes
# B: Abt. 891
1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I77032&s...
2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&s...
Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.
They had the following children:
M i Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931.
F ii Richilde de MAINE was born 893.
F iii Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde
Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p318.htm#i7563 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.
Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude:
Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde:
Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine
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Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)
from http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm
Rothilde
Wife of Roger, count of Maine.
Abbess of Chelles
Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].
Date of birth: Unknown.
Place of birth: Unknown.
Date of death: Not long before 929.
Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]
Place of death: Unknown.
Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.
As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.
Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.
Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.
For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.
Children:
MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.
[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.
As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.
Commentary
Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.
Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).
Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].
Bibliography
Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.
Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).
Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.
Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.
Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).
Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).
Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.
Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.
Compiled by Stewart Baldwin
Uploaded 10 January 2008.
Rothilde Carolingian Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree in SVG format Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1
o Birth Notes + B: Abt. 871 Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1
o Death Notes + D: 22 Mar 0927/28 Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace
They had a daughter named Richilde.
Female Richilde De Bourges Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2 + Birth Notes
2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&s...
Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.
They had the following children:
M i Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931. F ii Richilde de MAINE was born 893. F iii Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde
Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p318.htm#i7563 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
read more
From the Geni profile ...
- Added by: Petra Spithost-Douma on August 1, 2007
- Managed by: Margaret, (C) and 111 others
- Curated by: Justin Swanström (on vacation) PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.
Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude: •Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde
Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde: •Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine
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Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)
from http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm
Rothilde
Wife of Roger, count of Maine.
Abbess of Chelles
Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].
Date of birth: Unknown.
Place of birth: Unknown.
Date of death: Not long before 929.
Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]
Place of death: Unknown.
Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.
As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.
Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.
Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.
For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.
Children:
MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.
[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.
As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.
Commentary
Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.
Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).
Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].
Bibliography
Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.
Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).
Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.
Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.
Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).
Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).
Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.
Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.
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Rothilde Carolingian Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree in SVG format
Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1
o Birth Notes
+ B: Abt. 871
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1
o Death Notes
+ D: 22 Mar 0927/28
Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace
They had a daughter named Richilde.
Female Richilde De Bourges
Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2
+ Birth Notes
- B: Abt. 891
1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I77032&s...
2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&s...
Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.
They had the following children:
M i Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931.
F ii Richilde de MAINE was born 893.
F iii Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde
Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.
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PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.
Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude:
Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde:
Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine -------------------------------------------------------
Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)
from http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm
Rothilde
Wife of Roger, count of Maine.
Abbess of Chelles
Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].
Date of birth: Unknown.
Place of birth: Unknown.
Date of death: Not long before 929.
Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]
Place of death: Unknown.
Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.
As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.
Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.
Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.
For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.
Children:
MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.
[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]
FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.
As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.
Commentary
Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.
Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).
Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].
Bibliography
Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.
Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).
Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.
Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.
Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).
Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).
Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.
Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.
Compiled by Stewart Baldwin
Uploaded 10 January 2008.
Rothilde Carolingian Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree in SVG format Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1
o Birth Notes + B: Abt. 871 Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1
o Death Notes + D: 22 Mar 0927/28 Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace
They had a daughter named Richilde.
Female Richilde De Bourges Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2 + Birth Notes 1.B: Abt. 891
1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I77032&s...
2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&s...
Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.
They had the following children:
M i Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931. F ii Richilde de MAINE was born 893. F iii Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.
Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde
Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p318.htm#i7563 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Rothilde of the Franks's Timeline
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Vermandois, Normandy, France
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871
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Metz, Moselle, Alsace-Champagne-Ardenne-Lorraine, France
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890
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Pays de la Loire, France
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March 22, 929
Age 58
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Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
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