Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme, seigneur d'Alençon

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GUILLAUME [I] de Bellême, son of IVES de Creil Seigneur de Bellême & his wife Godehildis --- (-[1031]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves, qui tenait le château d'Alençon à titre de bénéfice" rebelled against Robert II Duke of Normandy, commenting that he was "infiniment cruel et ambitieux", dying soon after the defeat of his sons Foulques and Robert[98]. [1000]. Sire d'Alençon. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[99]. He founded the abbey of Dame-Marie [1023/26][100]. Europäische Stammtafeln[101] inserts an additional generation between "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves" and the four brothers who are reported by Guillaume de Jumièges as his sons: "Guillaume [I] "Talvas" "princeps" de Bellême, Sire d'Alençon, 1004-1013 iuvenis, erbaut Domfront, gründet um 1020 abbaye de Lonlay (-Domfront [1031], bur Notre-Dame-sur-l'Eau" recording his wife as "Mathilde, [1020]". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct, especially if the two brothers Ives Bishop of Sées and Robert were sons of the older Guillaume as shown in the same table of Europäische Stammtafeln (see below). The primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified, but until more information emerges it appears preferable to show this family as reported by Guillaume de Jumièges. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie records that Robert II Duke of Normandy granted Alençon to "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" who rebelled against the duke who besieged the castle and captured Guillaume[102].

m MATHILDE Dame de Condé-sur-Noireau, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie states that the mother of the sons of "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" was "Mehault du lignaige de Guennelon"[103].

Guillaume & his wife had five children:

1. WARINUS [Gu%C3%A9rin] de Bellême (-murdered 1026). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character and recording that Guérin was strangled by the devil before the eyes of his companions[104]. Seigneur de Domfront. m ---. The name of Guérin's wife is not known. Guérin & his wife had one child:

a) ADELISE de Bellême . Her parentage is suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that the great-grandfather of Rotrou [III] Comte du Perche was Guerin "quem dæmones suffocaverunt"[105]. 1060. m ROTROU [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of GEOFFROY Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Helvis [Elisabeth] de Corbon (-1 Mar [1080]). Comte de Mortagne 1058.

Guérin had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

b) RAOUL de Bellême (-after 28 May 1053). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[106]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[107].

2. FOULQUES de Bellême (-killed in battle forest of Blavon [1027/35], bur Notre-Dame de Bellême). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[108].

3. ROBERT de Bellême (-murdered Château de Ballon [1031/35]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[109]. Sire de Bellême. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert "héritier du pouvoir et de la cruauté de Guillaume de Belesme" was captured by the men of Le Mans, imprisoned for two years in the château de Ballon, and murdered by the sons of Gauthier de Sordains in reprisal for the death of their father[110], dated to the early 1030s from the context of the passage. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[111]. Robert had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress:

a) GUERIN (-after 1067). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[112]. A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[113]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[114].

b) GUILLAUME (-after 1067). A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[115]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[116].

4. GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character[117]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume Talvas succeeded after the death of his brother Robert[118], commenting that he was "plus mauvais encore que tous ses frères". "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][119]. Sire d'Alençon. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert and Raoul avenged the mutilation of their brother Guillaume by devastating the lands of Guillaume [II] "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon[120]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[121]. Guillaume de Jumièges records his being sent into exile by his son Arnoul[122]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume de Jumièges names "Hildeburge fille d'Arnoul" as wife of Guillaume Talvas, recording that her husband had her strangled on her way to church[123]. m secondly --- de Beaumont, daughter of RAOUL [V] de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the second wife of Guillaume Talvas was the daughter of "Raoul vicomte de Beaumont" but does not name her[124]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge, recording in a later passage his revolt against his father whom he forced into exile, and his being strangled in his bed[125].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[126]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[127]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[128]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][129]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[130]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[131]. m ([1050/54]%29 ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume de Jumièges names Oliver as brother of Arnoul, recording that he was suspected of murdering his brother and later became a monk at Bec[132]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[133]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[134]. He left descendants known as "Oison"[135], but the primary source which confirms their existence has not yet been identified.

5. IVES de Bellême (-5 Apr 1070, bur Sées). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Ives évêque de Seès" was paternal uncle of Arnoul, after whose murder he took possession of the château de Bellême. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[136], he was the son of Guillaume de Bellême, son of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", the table specifying that he was "Sagiensis episcopus Wilhelmi scilicet domini de Bellismo filius" and "avunculus Rodberti filii Guillelmi". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct. Bishop of Sées 1035. Guillaume de Jumièges also records that "Richard, Robert et Avesgot, fils de Guillaume surnommé Soreng" devastated the country around Seès and were besieged by Ives at the church of Saint-Gervais[137].

Guillaume [I] had one illegitimate son by an unknown mistress:

6. SIFRIDUS de Bellême . A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale of the church of Courgains, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[138]. Seigneur d'Escures, du Bouillon, de la Chapelle-près-Sées et de Congé.

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1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]

Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.

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Generation Two

2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]

Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.

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Generation Three

3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]

Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.

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Generation Four

4. WILLIAM4 TALVAS (Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (3) Count Guillaume I3 and Maud, was born between 966 and 1012, and died in 1070[1]. He married HILDEBURGE. [3, 2]

Child: + 5 i. MABEL5 of Alencon, Eure, France, b. circa 1026, d. in 1079; m. (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY in 1048.

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William was also called Guillaume.

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GUILLAUME [I] de Bellême, son of IVES de Creil Seigneur de Bellême & his wife Godehildis --- (-[1031]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves, qui tenait le château d'Alençon à titre de bénéfice" rebelled against Robert II Duke of Normandy, commenting that he was "infiniment cruel et ambitieux", dying soon after the defeat of his sons Foulques and Robert[98]. [1000]. Sire d'Alençon. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[99]. He founded the abbey of Dame-Marie [1023/26][100]. Europäische Stammtafeln[101] inserts an additional generation between "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves" and the four brothers who are reported by Guillaume de Jumièges as his sons: "Guillaume [I] "Talvas" "princeps" de Bellême, Sire d'Alençon, 1004-1013 iuvenis, erbaut Domfront, gründet um 1020 abbaye de Lonlay (-Domfront [1031], bur Notre-Dame-sur-l'Eau" recording his wife as "Mathilde, [1020]". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct, especially if the two brothers Ives Bishop of Sées and Robert were sons of the older Guillaume as shown in the same table of Europäische Stammtafeln (see below). The primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified, but until more information emerges it appears preferable to show this family as reported by Guillaume de Jumièges. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie records that Robert II Duke of Normandy granted Alençon to "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" who rebelled against the duke who besieged the castle and captured Guillaume[102].

m MATHILDE Dame de Condé-sur-Noireau, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie states that the mother of the sons of "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" was "Mehault du lignaige de Guennelon"[103].

Guillaume & his wife had five children:

1. WARINUS [Gu%C3%A9rin] de Bellême (-murdered 1026). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character and recording that Guérin was strangled by the devil before the eyes of his companions[104]. Seigneur de Domfront. m ---. The name of Guérin's wife is not known. Guérin & his wife had one child:

a) ADELISE de Bellême . Her parentage is suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that the great-grandfather of Rotrou [III] Comte du Perche was Guerin "quem dæmones suffocaverunt"[105]. 1060. m ROTROU [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of GEOFFROY Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Helvis [Elisabeth] de Corbon (-1 Mar [1080]). Comte de Mortagne 1058.

Guérin had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

b) RAOUL de Bellême (-after 28 May 1053). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[106]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[107].

2. FOULQUES de Bellême (-killed in battle forest of Blavon [1027/35], bur Notre-Dame de Bellême). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[108].

3. ROBERT de Bellême (-murdered Château de Ballon [1031/35]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[109]. Sire de Bellême. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert "héritier du pouvoir et de la cruauté de Guillaume de Belesme" was captured by the men of Le Mans, imprisoned for two years in the château de Ballon, and murdered by the sons of Gauthier de Sordains in reprisal for the death of their father[110], dated to the early 1030s from the context of the passage. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[111]. Robert had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress:

a) GUERIN (-after 1067). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[112]. A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[113]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[114].

b) GUILLAUME (-after 1067). A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[115]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[116].

4. GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character[117]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume Talvas succeeded after the death of his brother Robert[118], commenting that he was "plus mauvais encore que tous ses frères". "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][119]. Sire d'Alençon. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert and Raoul avenged the mutilation of their brother Guillaume by devastating the lands of Guillaume [II] "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon[120]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[121]. Guillaume de Jumièges records his being sent into exile by his son Arnoul[122]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume de Jumièges names "Hildeburge fille d'Arnoul" as wife of Guillaume Talvas, recording that her husband had her strangled on her way to church[123]. m secondly --- de Beaumont, daughter of RAOUL [V] de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the second wife of Guillaume Talvas was the daughter of "Raoul vicomte de Beaumont" but does not name her[124]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge, recording in a later passage his revolt against his father whom he forced into exile, and his being strangled in his bed[125].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[126]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[127]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[128]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][129]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[130]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[131]. m ([1050/54]%29 ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume de Jumièges names Oliver as brother of Arnoul, recording that he was suspected of murdering his brother and later became a monk at Bec[132]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[133]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[134]. He left descendants known as "Oison"[135], but the primary source which confirms their existence has not yet been identified.

5. IVES de Bellême (-5 Apr 1070, bur Sées). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Ives évêque de Seès" was paternal uncle of Arnoul, after whose murder he took possession of the château de Bellême. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[136], he was the son of Guillaume de Bellême, son of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", the table specifying that he was "Sagiensis episcopus Wilhelmi scilicet domini de Bellismo filius" and "avunculus Rodberti filii Guillelmi". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct. Bishop of Sées 1035. Guillaume de Jumièges also records that "Richard, Robert et Avesgot, fils de Guillaume surnommé Soreng" devastated the country around Seès and were besieged by Ives at the church of Saint-Gervais[137].

Guillaume [I] had one illegitimate son by an unknown mistress:

6. SIFRIDUS de Bellême . A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale of the church of Courgains, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[138]. Seigneur d'Escures, du Bouillon, de la Chapelle-près-Sées et de Congé.

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Generation One

1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]

Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.

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Generation Two

2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]

Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.

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Generation Three

3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]

Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.

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Generation Four

4. WILLIAM4 TALVAS (Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (3) Count Guillaume I3 and Maud, was born between 966 and 1012, and died in 1070[1]. He married HILDEBURGE. [3, 2]

Child: + 5 i. MABEL5 of Alencon, Eure, France, b. circa 1026, d. in 1079; m. (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY in 1048.

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William was also called Guillaume.

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Extract from "Records of the Ashe Family" by Waller Ashe (1876) Ivres, Seigneur de Bellesme, and his wife Godehilde, flourished about 950. He died in 995. His son, Guillaume I, Compte de Bellesme and d'Alençon, succeeded in 995 and, in the year 1020, built the Chateau d'Essaye in Alençon (insert: the ruins of which can still be seen in the small town of Essai in Normandy). He conferred this Chateau, with its Seigneurie upon his second son, Mathelin de Bellesme, thereafter known as Mathelin d'Essaye, and the founder of the House of that name.

Extract from "Géographie du Perche et Chronologie de ses Comtés" by the Vicomte de Romanet (1890-1902) Tableau de la Maison de Bellême, ou familles des premiers seigneurs de Bellême, Alençon, Château-Gontier, Château-Renaut, etc. Guillaume Ier, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon, 997; d. 1028 et probablement du Sonnois; épouse Mahaut, dont: (a) Guérin, seigneur de Domfront, dont: (i) Adèle; épouse Rotrou II, comte de Mortangne, 1039; d. 1079. (b) Robert, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon 1028, tué à Ballon 1033. (c) Guillaume II - Talvas, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon, 1033; d. 1050; épouse Hildebourge, fille d'Arnoul B. N., fille de vicompte de Beaumont, dont: (i) Robert; d. vers 1035. (ii) Mabile, dame de Bellême et d'Alençon, 1070; d. 1082; épouse Roger de Montgommery, vte d'Exmes, 1048; d. 1094.

Extract from "Dictionnaire de la Noblesse: Tome II" by François-Alexandre Aubert de la Chesnaye des Bois (1771) BELLEME & CHATEAU-GONTIER 1. Guillaume I, fils de Ives de Belleme, Comte de Belleme et d'Alençon, et Godechilde, eut de Mathilde, son épouse, trois fils: 1. Robert, Comte d'Alençon et de Belleme, surnommé Talvas, épousa une Dame nommée Hildeburge, de laquelle il eut: 1. Arnoul, mort jeune. 2. Mabille, Comtesse de Belleme, d'Alençon, et de Séez, femme de Roger, Seigneur de Montgommery. Translation: Ives of Belleme, count of Belleme and Alençon, one of the biggest and the richest lords of his time, married a Lady named Godechilde, and had three sons and two daughters: Guillaume I, son of Ives de Belleme, Comte de Belleme et d'Alençon, had, with Mathilde, his wife, three sons: 1. Robert, count of Alençon and of Belleme, died without issue. 2. Guillaume, de Belleme, surnamed Talvas, married a Lady named Hildeburge, by whom he had: (a) Arnoul, died young. (b) Mabille, countess de Belleme, of Alençon, and Séez, wife of Roger, lord of Montgommery. 3. Ives, Count of Belleme, Bishop of Séez.

Extract from "Dictionnaire Géographique, Historiques et Politique des Gaules et de la France: Tome Second" by M. L'Abbé Expilly (1764) Revenons au bourg d'Essay. Le château de ce lieu étoit flanqué de bonnes tours, et défendu du côté du nord et du couchant, par un grand étang, d'où fort ub ruiffeau qui fait moudre un moulin. C'est vraisemblablement Guillaume de Bellesme I du nom, le plus anciens des Seigneurs de ce bourg, dont on ait connaissance, qui fit bâtir ce chateau au commencement du onzieme siecle. Matselin, or Mathelin d'Essay, dont il est fait mention dans l'histoire du Perche, page 103, approuva avec Bertha sa femme et ses fils, pour dix livres mansais, la donation de soixante acres de terre labourable et de deux acres de pré, faite sous son fief, par Jean Burnet, à l'Abbaye de Saint Martin de Séez. Translation: Let us return to the market town of Essay. The castle of this place was flanked by good towers, and defended on the north and west sides by a large pond, where a grinding mill operates. It is probably William de Bellesme I of the name, the most ancient of the Lords of this market town, of whom we know, that built this chateau at the beginning of the 11th century. Matselin, or Mathelin d' Essay, of whom he is spoken in the history of Perche, page 103, approved with Bertha his wife and his sons, for ten books, the donation of sixty acres of arable land and two acres of meadow, made under his fief, by Jean Burnet, to the Abbey of Saint Martin of Séez.

Extract from "The Dukes of Normandy, from the time of Rollo to the Expulsion of King John by Philip Augustus of France" by Jonathan Duncan (1839) Robert I, 6th Duke of Normandy, following the examples of his ancestors, convened the great vassals of his duchy, to do homage and fealty, and take the usual oath of fidelity. All obeyed this summons, with the exception of William de Bellesme, Earl of Alençon. The duke, highly indignant at this insult, invaded the territories of his refractory vassal, and besieged his capital: he was quickly reduced to submission, and compelled to solicit his pardon with the saddle of a horse on his back. After he had undergone this degrading punishment, the duke gave him back his province. But he only rewarded ingratitude; for the earl with his four sons, Guerin, Fulk, Robert, and William Talvas, soon found a pretext for ravaging Normandy. The Viscount of Cotentin marched against them, and curbed the audacity of these marauders. Fulk was slain on the field of battle; and Robert, severely wounded, escaped with difficulty from being made prisoner. When this intelligence reached the Earl of Alençon, broken down with age and infirmity, it so powerfully affected his feelings, that he sank under the weight of his misfortunes. He was succeeded by his son, Robert de Bellesme, who continued the war against Normandy; but he was soon captured and put to death in prison by the sons of Walter-de-Sardène, whose father he had strangled.

Extract from Find A Grave Name: Guillaume De Belleme I Birth: unknown in Alencon, France Death: 1028 in Alencon, France Notes: Son of Gordeschilda and Ives de Crail, Count of Belleme at Alencon, France. (then was Creil, Beauvoisie, Normandy). Guillaume I married Matilda. Father of Guillaume II. Parents: Yves De Creil (____ - 997) and Gordeschilda De Belleme De Creil (930 - 1047) Son: Guillaume II Talvas de Belleme (966 - 1048)

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William, Count of Alencon Talvis had one son. He died in 1031.

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William of Bellême (960/5 – 1028) called William Princeps, was the Seigneur of Bellême and a member of the House of Bellême.

William of Bellême called William Princeps, was the Seigneur of Bellême and a member of the House of Bellême. Wikipedia Parents: Yves de Bellême Children: William I Talvas, Yves of Bellême, Robert I of Bellême Grandchild: Mabel de Bellême Grandparent: Yves de Creil People also search for: William I Talvas, Yves de Bellême, Mabel de Bellême, Avesgaud de Bellême, Yves of Bellême Great grandchildren: Arnulf of Montgomery, Philip of Montgomer

Contents

   1 Life

   2 Family

   3 Notes

   4 References

Life

William was the son of Yves de Bellême and his wife Godeheut.[1] Yves in turn was probably the son of Yves de Criel, magister balistarum (Latin meaning officer in charge of the royal siege train).[a][2]

With the consent of Richard I, Duke of Normandy William had constructed two castles, one at Alençon and the other at Domfront, while the caput of Yves' lordship was the castle of Bellême, constructed "a quarter of a league from the old dungeon of Bellême" in Maine.[3] The first mention of William in any records was in 1000 as Marshall of the king's forces when he accompanied the King of France to Toulouse, the next mention being his succeeding his father in 1005.[4] Also, in 1005 William along with his mother made several grants to local churches including the church of Boece, to which his father had founded in his castle of Bellême.[5] Initially William attempted to revoke a gift of his father to Fleury Abbey but was so impressed with the abbot Gauzlin's appeal he restored the gift and also allowed his young son Benoit to become a monk there.[6]

His brother Avesgaud, Bishop of Le Mans who was engaged in constant warfare with Herbert I, Count of Maine.[7] In 1020 Bishop Avesgaud fled to his brother's castle of Bellême after being driven out of his see by count Herbert, for which Avesgaud placed an interdict on Herbert and his lands and excommunicated the count. William joined forces with his brother Avesgaud attacking count Herbert at the castle of Ballon. At first William and Avesgaud were beaten back but Giroie (aka Géré), a vassal of William's held his ground and defeated Herbert's forces completely. William de Bellême introduced Giroie to Duke Richard at Rouen who rewarded Giroie with the lands of Heugon.[b][8]

In 1027 when Robert I, Duke of Normandy succeeded his brother Richard III, William de Bellême revolted against him. Robert laid siege to his castle of Bellême until William surrendered then had to humbly ask for forgiveness (in bare feet with a saddle on his shoulders).[4] Having been forgiven and his fief of Alençon restored, William sent his sons Fulk and Robert to harass the Normans, but they were defeated and Fulk was killed in battle at Blavon.[3]

It is worth noting that neither William nor his father Ives ever attested any of their acts using the title comes (count), indicating they had feudal authority in their own territories but were not officially invested as counts.[9] Family

William married Mathilde of Condé-sur-Noireau. The couple had six sons:

   Fulk, died in his father's lifetime.[3]

   Warin, died in 1026 under mysterious circumstances.[10] He married Melisende, Viscountess of Châteaudun;[11] their daughter Adela married Rotrou, Count of Mortagne (whose grandson was Rotrou 'the Great', Count of Perche and Morgagne).[10]

   Robert, succeeded his father as Seigneur de Bellême, murdered in prison.[3]

   Ives, Seigneur de Bellême and Bishop of Sées, succeeded his brother Robert, died 1070.[1]

   William I Talvas held the honor of Bellême in right of his brother Ives.[1]

   Benoit, a monk at Fleury Abbey.[10]

His widow Mathilde along with her son William Talvas both confirmed and increased gifts of William de Bellême to the church of Bellême.[12]

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Notes

When young Duke Richard I was being held a virtual prisoner by Louis IV, it was Ives de Criel who revealed the king's plot to kill or mutilate the boy to Osmund, the young Duke's tutor, who whisked Richard away from the king and saved him. See: Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 69

   For a continuation of the relations between the families of Giroie and de Bellême, see the article William I Talvas.

References

Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 4 (Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Marburg, Germany, 1989), Tafel 636 Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 68 Thomas Stapleton, Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniae sub Regibus Angliae, Tomis I (Sumptibus Soc. Antiq. Londinensis, Londini, 1840), p. lxxii Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 78 Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 76 Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), pp. 76–7 Jean Jacques Gautier, Histoire d'Alençon (Poulet-Malassis, Imprimeur-Libraire, Place Bourbon, 1805), p. 24 Ordericus Vitalis, The Ecclesiastical History of England and Normandy, Trans. Thomas Forester, Vol. I (Henry G. Bohn, London, 1853), p. 390 Thomas Stapleton, Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniae sub Regibus Angliae, Tomis I (Sumptibus Soc. Antiq. Londinensis, Londini, 1840), pp. lxxi–ii Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 79 Ordericus Vitalis, The Ecclesiastical History of England and Normandy, Trans. Thomas Forester, Volume IV (Henry G. Bohn, London, 1856), p. 110 n. 2

   Geoffrey H. White, 'The First House of Bellême', Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 75