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Albreda Bisset - Richardson

Started by Private User on Friday, April 25, 2025
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Please review Douglas Richardson's c,2011 thinking posted in Albreda d'Aubigny 's Overview pertaining to the mother of Isabel d'Aubigny, Heiress of Belvoir , the only known child of William IV "The Lion" d'Aubigny, Lord of Belvoir . Richardson asserts that Isabel d’Aubigny was the mother. He also gives a different circa marriage year for William and Albreda.

I don't think it's beyond doubt that Albreda was not the mother of Isabel. I think the only reason Richardson assigns Isabel (unknown) as mother is solely based on her given name being the same as that of his daughter, nothing more.

Albreda necessarily must have been born closer to 1211 and certainly not as early as 1180. Richardson states: "His wife, Aubrey, was living 28 Sept. 1226. She died 23 November, year unknown.) He further posits Isabel's marriage to William as "before 1239". Thus, Richardson seems to have created a circular problem in this matter.

Wikitree: William (Albini) d'Aubigny accepts what Richardson wrote:

Marriages and Children
"William married first to Aubrey Biset,[1] probable daughter and co-heiress of Henry Biset and Aubrey de Lisours, before 1212.[2] Aubrey was living on 28 September 1226 and died on the 23rd of November, year unknown.[2] They had no children together.[1][2]

"William married second to Isabel _____,[1] before 1239.[2] In Fine Rolls dated 13 January 1243, Isabella d'Aubigny was fined for “marrying herself to whomever she will wish”.[3] William and Isabel had one daughter."

Death
"Sir William d'Aubeney died 4 September 1242, his body was buried before the high altar at Beauvoir Priory, Leicestershire, and his heart was buried at Croxton Abbey, Leicestershire.[2]

"In the Fine Rolls dated 14 September 1242, the Lincolnshire lands of "William d'Aubigny" were ordered to be taken into the king's hands following his death.[3]

"His widow, Isabel, was still living in 1285.[2]"

Date of Birth
"Marlyn Lewis, citing Richardson, estimates his birthdate to be about 1188.[4] However, Richardson does not provide an estimated date of birth for William and does not even speculate as to when his parents may have been married, other than to indicate that Margaret de Umfreville "died 20 September, year unknown" and her husband remarried (second) Agatha Trusseut c.29 September 1198.[5] Further research* needs to be done to determine a reasonable estimate for William's date of birth. Stevens-17832 19:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)"

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* I find it laughable when people write "more research is needed" for well research persons this far back in medieval history. What do they think can be found or discerned? Long-lost manuscripts suddenly being found?...in the 21st century???

Cawley has Isabel as the only wife & mother of the only child.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntac.htm#_Toc157779257

m ISABEL, daughter of --. “Isabella d’Aubigny” made a fine for “marrying herself to whomever she will wish”, dated 13 Jan 1243[1280]. William & his wife had one child:

a) ISABEL de Albini (-15 Jun 1301, bur Newstead, near Stamford). A manuscript narrating the foundation of Rievall Abbey records that "Robertum de Roos" married “Isabellam hæredem D’Albany”[1281]. "Robert de Ros and Isabel his wife" were granted rights "in the manor of Belver by all bounds by which William de Albiniaco, father of the said Isabel who is his heiress, held…" dated 3 Jul 1252[1282]. A writ dated 4 Jun "13 Edw I", after the death of "Robert de Ros of Beuveyr alias Beuvayr", names "Isabel sometime his wife, daughter and heir of William de Aubeny who is 52 years of age"[1283]. m ([5 Jun 1243/17 May 1244]) ROBERT de Ros, son of WILLIAM de Ros & his wife Lucy -- (-17 May 1285, bur Kirkham).

I moved Isabel d'Aubigny, Heiress of Belvoir to daughter of Isabel d’Aubigny & locked relationships.

Theses changes made make much better sense to me. Cawley and team can update webpages, which a book cannot do without publishing a revised edition or a series Errata and Corrections volume.

Thanks, it seems more realistic this way to me also.

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