Katz from J-L283 or J-Y37847 haplogroup

Private User

4/25/2025 at 8:36 AM

I wander if there are any?

sally smith

4/25/2025 at 9:19 AM

I joined because my direct maternal DNA very closely matches the mother of the earliest Rabbi Katzenellenbogen but as I am Sephardi it must be from the Padua Sephardi who intermarried with the Katzen rabbis.

Haim Katz - Hachoen Wartski PRO

4/25/2025 at 10:56 AM

sally smith

The Katzenlenbogen family was originally from Germany, and from there they moved to live in Italy...

the earliest mother I was able to find in Katzenlenbogen family was:

Livo Minz

Joshua Kunken PRO

4/25/2025 at 1:18 PM

J-L283? or J-L823?

Private User

4/25/2025 at 8:18 PM

J-L283 or J-Y37847

Joshua Kunken PRO

4/26/2025 at 9:28 PM

Thanks,
I ask because a comment brings in a mention of the Katzenellenbogen lineage.

J-L823, (8-2-3), has been found to comprise the genetic signature for the Katzenellenbogen rabbinical lineage, per work by Paull, Rosenstein, and Briskman:
https://avotaynuonline.com/2016/03/y-dna-genetic-signature-ethnic-o...

sally smith

4/27/2025 at 1:17 AM

My mtdna is now updated by FTDNA as: J2a1a1+16261+215

With only 4 close matches in Algeria, Spain, Portugal and England. I am close to the guy's mum below. I think! I am related to the Henrique de la Fuente family but most were wiped out in Holland so I never get an exact match. We came over to UK in 1700s. Anyway. I'll keep trying to find my family..

176873 Merrick Rabbi Moshe Katzenellenbogen 1425 CE Germany J1b1a1

J1b1a1t C16069T, T16126C, A16129G, G16145A, T16172C, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, C16261T, T16278C, C16311T, C16519T

C146T, C152T, C195T, C242T, A247G, C295T, C462T, T489C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C

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