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Started by Livio Scremin on Thursday, April 10, 2025
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Franziska d'Aquino von Hohenstaufen /!\ 11 days ago asking for administration it was marked with a problem/!\mark on the suffix, a JPG of a DIY caste of cards & left written on the notes inside:

* Not sourced or known daughter of Frederick II, Duke of Swabia & Agnes of Saarbrücken
* Not sourced or known wife of Aimone d'Aquino, count of Acerra
* Not sourced or known mother of conte Landolfo I d'Aquino

given the type of links to old DIY ones which are also no longer working, this really seems to be an abusive fantasy node for Saint Thomas Aquinas

PLZ source or cut TNX

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Now now a user already known to me https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=87115510400 arrives here, duplicates, merges, deletes the suffix, deletes the JPG.. but he doesn't write anything at all about the info. (did he at least read them?:)

obviously the super noble new South American administrator is direct direct direct super direct direct descendant
(but direct direct did I already say?)

I don't know, I'm curious or maybe crazy but I have already drawn my hasty but time-saving conclusions, so I ask you Erica Howton
what do you think!?

so Private User is your smartest response to be silent & continue the edit war?

Erica Howton maybe I can save you time, stress & nervousness (maybe more mine:)

well in reality she has already been examined by the serious ones of:
-https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hohenstaufen-71 <--{isolated}

Research Notes
There is no proof that she is the daughter of either Hohenstaufen-35 and Hohenstaufen-69. Her father was removed 7/11/21. The link below to a discussion on the soc genealogy medieval discussion group proposes she actually never existed and is not mentioned in any primary sources of the period. They also make the point that the name Franziska/Francesca/Francoise didn't exist in any royal/noble family in this time period. There is no known any primary source for Thomas of Aquino's grandmother. The Aquino family is considered of Langobard stock and not originally Southern Italian. They were a Germanic tribe with close ties and frequent marriages of their rulers to the Bavarians.

Sources
*https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/4cwJ...
*https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php/Aimone-I-Conte-d-Aquino/f31467
*www.ourfamtree.org /browse.plp?fid-10110

If Francesca (born 1137) was daughter of Hohenstaufer-35 ( Holy Emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa she should be daughter of Bourgogne-270 (born 1131) that is not possible.

Francesca/ Frances/ Françoise was daughter of Frederik II (single eye) duke of Schwabia 2nd wife Agnes of Saarbrucken, while Frederik I Barbarossa, Holy roman Emperor was half brother of Francesca and was born from his first wife Judith of Bavaria, duchess of Scwabia. If this is the case, all siblings shall also be edited.

It is not clear how she married Aimone d'Aquino of neapolitan origin. Of couse she could not be the wife of Rinaldo d'Aquino's father of Aimone that was the spouse of the ill-documented Cecilia di Medania. Her (only?) child was Landolfo d'Aquino who married Teodora Caracciolo (or according to other sources Teodora Gallucci) having among his twelve children Saint Thommaso d'Aquino , one of the leadinng Catholic Church Saints. Not much else is documented about Francesca's life.

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Also be careful because I followed the trail that led to her project:
-https://www.geni.com/projects/Distinguished-Matriarchs-of-Noble-Blo...

and the amount of profiles completely blank empty but colored with nice colored COAs... from the usual ones I know now, there are many many many and I only stopped at the first pages.

From Jean Couer de Lapin, 21 years ago.

https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/aBiDhAc2/aimone-d-aquino...

I think you're right to be suspicious. "Francoise" is indeed a much later name, that did not come into fashion (and is not found in any royal house) before the canonization of Francis of Assissi two generations later.

It is possible that a Hohenstaufen had an unmentioned illegitimate daughter who married a minor nobleman of southern Italy -- Frederick II was masterful in arranging such marriages for his bastards -- but legitimate daughters are all pretty carefully tracked.


LEO has the wife of Aimone I d'Aquino as NN, citing Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 . page 235

https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00263400&tree=LEO

And so she shall be on Geni.

Hello, welcome,
the imperial connection that some were looking for, is graphically visible at a glance even to the blind, via the sister Sibylla di Aquino, of Acerra

This-> https://www.geni.com/path/Federico-II-imperatore-dei-Romani+is+rela...
even more beautiful and prestigious in my opinion,

not this /!\ https://www.geni.com/path/Federico-II-imperatore-dei-Romani+is+rela...
and yet this ramshackle profile has precedence, that's why I now also leave /!\ signs on the suffix ;)

Trying to delete them outright without explanations after notes and discussions, I know I'm being drastic, but I see something rotten in it now.

Did you see this? Another son of Aimone.

Libro d'Oro della Nobilta

From genmarenostrum.com D'Aquino: Linee Antiche

K3. Aimone (+ post 1195), Conte di Acerra. = ……….

  • L1. Rinaldo II (+ 13-2 tra il 1201 e il 1210), Conte d’Acerra, il suo feudo venne confiscato nel 1197 circa ad opera degli Svevi. = ………
    • M1. (Naturale) Finagrana (+ assassinato in guerra mentre andava a San Germano 1201), riottenne la contea di Acerra per qualche tempo attorno al 1200.
  • L2. Landolfo I, capostipite dei Conti di Belcastro.

I think they've been jumping up the origins of Saint Thomas of Aquinas for centuries.

https://ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/aquinas/aquinas.iv.html

The whole religious quarrel, the whole international quarrel, was for him, a family quarrel. He was born in the purple, almost literally on the hem of the imperial purple; for his own cousin was the Holy Roman Emperor. He could have quartered half the kingdoms of Europe on his shield -- if he had not thrown away the shield ...

St. Thomas Aquinas
by Gilbert Keith Chesterton
https://ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/aquinas/aquinas.

Dear Private User please you absolutely must start thinking seriously about learning to read & write.

The area as you see is extensively studied examined and checked, the profiles containing interactive links to sources and or secondary in-depth studies are already all highlighted by family COA, it means that with just one single JPG we tag the whole family, it means that even just by entering the JPG we all can see and find the key characters at a glance.

Continue to see yourself going around uploading 1 jpg per blank white empity profile, without writing anything in the info-bio, without reading around, without responding.. it's annoying ..especially as you can see from this SOLVED discussion.
Best wishes

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