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Customisable Names for GMOL numbers

Started by Private User on Thursday, February 27, 2025
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Regarding disconnects on Geni.

As far as I know there isn’t a curator working on GMOL profiles (ie comparing Geni to GMOl) so the request to disconnect would have been raised by a use not by a curator checking it against GMOL

On Geni (as in genealogy) connections / relationships / data should be based on sources. If a user queries a connection and no-one is able to supply any sources then the connection should be removed. Notes can be added into the overview to outline the possible relationship.

Rosella R. Gmol have not found primary sources in either direction. They have disconnected the family citing a naming tradition which does Not hold true with many of my ancestors, including those on gmol. Yet oral traditions in a number of families do support the connection. We here are Geni. We are Not Gmol. We cannot just choose to disconnect ancestors because they are not on gmol. If we do, then No one will have Any ancestors prior to 1523. Ziltsch.They did Not exist prior to 1523, as there were No Mennonites prior to 1523.

Leanne is arranging for Geni to transfer all the gmol folks to this project. Yet a number of researches who use gmol numbers are Not on this project. What gives us the right to remove or disconnect their ancestors simply because gmol has not as yet found or chosen to recognize the connections that other researchers have researched and rely on?

None of us is infallible. GMOL is Not infallible either. I have sent many corrections to them over the years. And frequently find issues with their profiles. I have also found much useful information there. But it is always a work in progress. I admire their dedication, their focus, their purpose. But whatever information i find, i take with a grain of salt...

The reason for the GMOL project was that a lot of users were unhappy with an unknown number being added to the name fields on profiles they either manage or are family to. It provides a link so that users who were unfamiliar with GMOL could go to it and get an explanation of the number and its relevance.

Any user in the project can send an invite to any other Geni user - and any Geni user who wants to join can request to join the profile.

Please invite any users that you know that use GMOL numbers or who might be interested to the project.



My suggestion for the times where you find that the genealogy on GMOL (or any other source) and Geni are different is to
1. Add sources to Geni
2. Start a discussion from the profile (and tag other relevant profiles) and outline what you think on Geni is incorrect, what you think it should be, why you think it is incorrect and what sources you have used.
3. You are welcome to invite me to the discussion (or any other curator) - NOTE: I have no knowledge of the location or time period involved so would just be looking at the sources provided NOT doing any research myself

This will allow other interested parties (descendants, profile managers, other researchers) to add information and to join the discussion.

If after a period of time no one is able to provide alternative sources you can ask for a curator to disconnect the profiles, and add curator notes and lock fields or connections if necessary

The advantages of this approach are

  • the discussion remains with the profiles for ever and can be read by any interested party in the future
  • everyone has an opportunity to add their sources or information and to debate the accuracy of the info provided
  • you don't have to rehash the same information time and time again.

Private User
I made Sara Epp public.
I have been holding off on updating the suffix's on this one and the others as you asked for examples and I wanted you to see where Peter Franz was putting the GMOL #. I did send him an email about this project.
I see that you have updated already updated the others.

I like the idea of a GMOL project. Yet I believe profile managers have a right to opt in or opt out. Not all profile managers who use GMOL numbers to help identify their mennonite ancestors want to be part of the project, or to have their ancestors in it. When it comes to jointly held ancestors, it becomes a more complex decision, where collaborative decision making and good will is vital. In my opinion, having an ancestor profile accessible on geni is more important than having it in a specific project. An invitation is wonderful. An expectation can become onerous.

Thank you Leanne for all your assistance with this project, and for your understanding.

RE Leanne's comments 4/15/2025 11:02: I would appreciate if these comments of yours could be added to our main project page, perhaps as part of the instructions?

My greatest concern with the ancestor I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, whose parents were summarily disconnected by a project member, is that, as far as i can tell, it was a unilateral decision made, without the knowledge or input of any of the long time geni managers for that profile. I have been one of the 20+ long time managers of the profile in question, but i do know that I certainly was not contacted or presented with any opportunity for discussion prior to the disconnection of the parents, the dismantling of our combined ancestry. I accidentally came across the discovery, when reviewing some of my profiles with a new dna match, seeking potential common ancestry. I do have dna matches which, thus far, can only be explained when those parents are connected. That does not exclude other possibilities, but does not prove them either.

Many records have been destroyed in wars and accidentally over the centuries, and entire mennonite church and community record books are known to have been lost in the russian revolution and its aftermath, which included the systematic dismantling of the mennonite communities, forced mass displacements with very little if any notice, summary arrests, torture, banishments to siberia, and executions of many mennonites in countries and territories taken over by russia in the 20th century. I lost a number of relatives in those times. It has been estimated that more than 33% of the mennonites living in those areas in the first half of the 20th century lost their lives as a result of targeted persecution directed and executed by official government forces.

GMOL has not found specific documentation thus far the prove or to disprove the ancestral connection in question. The parental connection however exists in the oral traditions of a number of families with whom i have dna connections. The parents may or may not have been Mennonites, but that has nothing to with parentage. The decision to disconnect or not to disconnect the parents should have included a collaborative effort with other profile managers. We should all have been alerted of the potential action, and provided time to consider, to reply, to participate in the decision making.

The profile did Not need to be culled in order to verify it for the GMOL project. There was No need to add it to the project. It could have been left outside of the project, still quite accessible, but not conforming to the current gmol profile.

The search for records is ongoing. Many are difficult to access due to language (translation programs are far from perfect) and other barriers (prior to russia Invasion of ukraine mennonite, mormon, and other groups were actively researching records in ukraine and russia, working on translating and digitalizing as many as possible, but their work ended abruptly when russia invaded ukraine. There is much yet to be discovered. But the opportunities are hampered while this current war and devastation is ongoing.

RE Wendy Sue Barg comments of 4/13/2025 at 5:35 PM:

I very much like Wendy's idea of a separate label for "GMOL verified: date". The intention and content is super clear. In seeing her example, i knew instantly, without a doubt, what it meant.

Leanne, could we adopt that process?

For myself, I'm not in favour of adding a "GMOL verified: date".

Leanne,

I am noticing that the GMOL's that are labeled with a space after the # are not in the project.
Can you put them into the project too? Examples are:
Dietrich Rempel
Katharina Rempel
Susanna Klassen
Rosella

Hi Rosella

Just adding a GMOL label doesn't add the profile to projects. They need to be manually added.

Leanne

Hi Leanne,

Exactly, when you add the GMOL label, you have to manually add it to the project. I do know that.

What I am finding is there is a lot that already had the GMOL that were not added amongst the 30,000 done awhile ago. I had thought that they would have been also included or am I wrong in that thinking?

Rosella R

Hi
Are you able to give me examples please
Leanne

These 2 profiles appear to be the same but have different parents.
The surrounding families have GMOL numbers

Berend Cornelius de Veer
Berend Cornelius de Veer

Hedwig de Veer
Hedwig de Veer

The Grandma profile for Cornelius Gysbert de Veer, 12804 does not show any children for him. I believe both of these people are children of Gysbert Gysbert de Veer, 12803. I will look through the Danzig records tomorrow and try to fix the errors then do the merges. I will also add the source information to the profiles when I do so that whoever is working on these ones knows where the information came from.

Leanne,
Berend Cornelius de Veer

Hedwig de Veer
I have merged these profiles and added the information from Grandma online to the about sections in their profiles. I have fixed the parents according to what was shown in Grandma and merged two profiles for their mother, Emerentia de Veer . She was showing up as married to both Cornelius (twin) Gijsbert de Veer and his brother Gysbert (twin) Gijsbertsz de Veer

Leanne, I gave you three examples on April 22nd but you have already added them to the project.
Dietrich Rempel, # 230224
Katharina Bergen, # 227056
Susanna Rempel, # 952154

I shall look for some more.

Hi Private User

Regarding the 3, you added the GMOL numbers on 22 April which is after when Geni did the scripts.

When you add GMOL number you need to also manually add them to the GMOL project.

Leanne,

It wasn't me who added the GMOLs, it was the other Rosella.
I have been adding to the project 99% of the time of when I add the GMOL to the profile.
The other 1%, is in case I missed it.

Sorry yes, I missed that.

Same applies, anyone who adds the GMOL number needs to also add them to the project.
The main reason is for adding to the project is so that users who don’t know what GMOL is can go to the project to get an overview - rather than remove the information.

Hi Leanne,

Found one of mine that had the GMOL and it wasn't added to the project.
I added the GMOL on December 29, 2023.
Katharina Janzen

This is another one of mine where I added the GMOL on January 3, 2024.
This one I had to make public to see if it was added to the project or not.
Jacob P. Janzen

Please use these as examples to double check all the ones that I had entered that did not get added to the project.

Rosella R

Re Jacob P. Janzen

If you change any profiles from private to public you need to manually add them to the project.

The scripts are a one off to assist with moving the data from the fielda to the GMOL custom label. Geni can't spare the resources to continue to run scripts - it is up to individuals to add profiles to the project..



Re Katharina Janzen

I will ask if Geni can run a one off script.

Private User
Thanks for letting me know about what happens when you change profiles from Private to Public in regards to the GMOL project.
I have added Jacob P. Janzen to the project.

Could you also please let me know if they do or do not plan on running a one off script?

Thank you for doing all the things that you are doing for this project.
It is appreciated!
Rosella R

Hi
Geni ran a one off script to

  • move the GM and GM# label to the GMOL label
  • move the number to GMOL for those with GRanDMA in the nickname field

The result was around 15000 profiles

Where there was different values they added both with a / between them

They had already done one for adding those with a label GMOL into the project

Please remember that we no longer need to add the GMOL number into the AKA field as you can
1) search for the GMOL number
2) see the GMOL number appended to the name in all views

15,000!!! Thanks for letting us know!!

Leanne M: Re your comment above "The main reason is for adding to the project is so that users who don’t know what GMOL is can go to the project to get an overview - rather than remove the information." That sounds like an excellent reason. Thank you for articulating so clearly. On the other hand, some folks were reluctant to have their profiles added to the Project, because they were afraid Project members might change Their information. How best to respond to that concern? Do we simply adjust their information to conform with the current GMOL profile, or do we engage them in discussions prior to any changes? I prefer the latter, wherever possible, as I believe clarity in communication and respectful cooperative collaboration is key.

All users can already change information in public profiles so adding a profile to a project does not increase the risk of users altering the profile.

The best way to stop users changing data is to add sources to the profile.

Communication is always key for collaboration.

If the profile is public and the GMOL number is located in another area of the profile - ie name - and you don't feel comfortable changing it please let me know and I can alter it (Geni has spent considerable time on this functionality so that we no longer need to put non name information in the name field)

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