Cause of death.

Hi Phillipp

I believe it to be a very important aspect to show the cause of death on a profile
This is most helpful in assisting the medical fraternity to look for genetic issues in descendants.

Regards Irvin

Irvin and Judi
Agree and also disagree.
Suicide ? Died in Insane Asylum ?
Murder ?
Often so very personal and I feel so terrible in exposing a terrible thing for family to deal with.
My ssuter asked me to remove DN of our other sister here and ,DN if her father-in-law

Sorry -- jump !! -- DN of her father-in-law for similar reasons .
Maybe if it is our own direct relation ,ok then 🤔.

Hi Phillip,

At some point in time, the family needs to come to terms with a death, in whatever way it happened. I say betters sooner than later.

BTW, what is DN and CDR?

Regards
Jan

I actually removed 2 murder cause if death here on GENI for relatives-- find it to private a thing.
Family disease at yr GP, private information never to be publicly shared I believe.
We can not even leave medical files or DN 's exposed at Surgery-- confidential.

DN - Death Notice
CDR - Civil Death Registration or Registration of a death.

Hi Jan - for some of us easuer to deal with it. My grandmother only wore black her whole life after her 2nd child died age 2 days .
Maybe I am okd fash8 but confronted witb Cause of Death " Prostate Cancer " it sort of jumps out if the the screen.
Self inflicted trauma to the head

Ek sien nie 'n probleem nie. In teendeel, hoe meer inligting hoe beter. Ek wil graag soveel moontlik van my voorouers weet. my oupa se broer, Wilhelm, is volgens een vertelling op reis terug vanaf Rhodesie aan Malaria oorlede maar volgens ander bronne is hy in 'n Matabele-opstand gedood. Ek sou dus graag wil weet wat die ware feite is.
Daar is vir my op Geni veels te min persoonlike inligting. Ek sou graag wil weet wat het die mense gedoen. nie net name en datums nie.
Albrecht

On balance, I still feel that the more info there is the better. What may I ask, is the problem knowing someone died of prostate cancer? We all have to die of something. Many many people die of cancer. It is interesting and informative in my view.

Jan and Albrecht -- I agree but what if a family member of a profile you manage objects?
I kow arthritis genetic in my family my 3rd grt uncle called Abt Fingerhut and my fingers look the same .
WE we all want to know every skeleton in every closet or drawer these days . Do we really need to?
I could not share a relative father's suicide that she was unaware of with her.

I also try to save people discomfort and hurt.
Difficult to hear and accept suddenly.

I agree, cause of death helps with further information.

I also do not see a problem with cause of death. It is available on the death certificate, which is publicly available. Seeing the cause of death helped me in my quest to trace the history (and the possible identity - still searching) of some my ancestors and provides a reason why they might have disappeared. It will also help me to give a historical account of everything when I write everything up in future.

If we start by avoiding recording cause of death details we will end up with many other folk wanting other pertinant information excluded from profiles such as out of wedlock births etc.

The cause of death is a factual part of that life and should be recorded. To add emotion to the equation should not even be considered.

Hi
Thank you all for your comments. I am a newcomer to Geni and found these comments very helpful.
Wally

Hello all
I also want to know everything! Surely that is the purpose of a site like this? Also… I always thought that cause of death was in the public domain… died from a knife wound inflicted by an irate wife! Making light of it but I do think it’s important to have all the facts here!
ILse

To veryone,

We are dealing here with factual info vs emotional implications. I agree with the positive hereditary implications. I also agree with the emotional implications where families would like to keep certain info private.

We can make an empathetic choice which is left to everyone's own conscience. OR we can agree that we only put cause of death up to aspecific date e.g. 1920.

Hi

One should separate the facts from the emotions. Cause of death, in whatever form, is an important historical fact and should always be included if it is known.

Maryna - 1920 ( 100 years ) or 150 years a good idea.
Think immediate family members should also have a say.

Hi all.

My thoughts are that cause of death has very little to do with the person's life and historical times which hopefully is being coloured and brought to life hopefully by our increased knowledge through investigation.

The Death Notice / Cause of Death are most valuable documents and EVERY effort should be made to include a path / address to find this information on the Geni page.
Those documents are the place for cause of death information for those who have a need to know.

Its important to understand genetic disease - these days much can be dealt with if discovered early, so cause of death should be shown

Mark Dennie,

I agree. let the actual cause of death be secondary link for those who desire such info

Please note that whatever you decide, you can only apply your chosen course of action to the profiles you manage. If you are not a manager of a profile you have no right to change or delete any info that is already part of that profile.

Removed cause of death from 11 relatives died after 1950 yesterday -- added by someone not a manager . I realize they were only trying to help adding and correcting information.
Discussing this with family over Easter weekend they 100 % agreed even if in Public domain rather not add certain information . Even medical research do not publish names of individuals a question of ethics . e.g. Cancer of Cervix often linked to STD's and should that really be shared ?
Obesity related diseases ?
150 or 100 year rule on privacy on GENI ?
Also do not believe GENI the place to discover any family genetic diseases .
If family consent to it , might be OK but not if any immediate family objects .
I always think of abuse of Medical conditions and genetic diseases In Germany 1932 to 1945 .

--even more shocking was discovering my Uncle I spoke to two days before last year ; DEAD with cause of death , public on GENI .
However he was very much alive and manager of that profile on GENI even argued with me --She knows he is dead !
NOT yet , though some might wish he was ! he told me in person on 18 April 2022

Did I have the right to correct such obvious wrong information ?

Another one --my own sister's father-in-law died 2000 very sad circumstances ., yet all PUBLIC on Geni with incorrect date of death and cause of death -- again the manager argued with me that HE was right and since person no longer alive can be public. . Just leave it ?
His wife asked me to please remove it --even if it was a public document why must it be published by anyone anywhere ? Decency and ethics involved .

Cause of death on old DN's often completely wrong according to modern medicine and not the actual cause of death anyway so have very little relevance to any real medical conditions in a family in 2022 .

With Increase of world population , information re genetic disease on GENI may be used by some to sterilize those with certain genetic diseases , exclude them from equal benefits , equal opportunities or even kill them .
O those with grandparents who died of heart disease ? Not a good investment :so no University education for them .
Working in the medical field have encountered that alllready in hospitals where who gets the medical treatments decisions are made .

A very possible horrendous scenario that is already being practised ------

Paranoid Wokeness just infected genealogy.

Jacinda Ardern in interview : --- why has kindness , being considerate and decency become a sign of weakness ?

Most importantly, protecting someone from dangers that you are aware of ; these things are considered as kindness, but actually are just basic human decency .