Sarah Rachel Shipley (Dorsey) - ANOTHER BOGUS "SARAH RACHEL"!!!

Private User

12/22/2021 at 12:59 PM

Why don't you EVER READ the "About" section! This profile is BOGUS BOGUS BOGUS!!!!!

Erica Howton C

12/22/2021 at 1:26 PM

Just to make sure - this Shipley wife was a Sarah, parents known?

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/shipley/2782/

There’s a comment here:

Gary Boyd ROBERTS' Ancestors of American Presidents says that Ralph E. PEARSON also indicates Lucy SHIPLEY of VA, NC, & KY was most likely the mother of Nancy HANKS.Two others who have researched & reached that conclusion are Raymond Martin BELL& Christopher C. CHILD.

This has been disproved by MT DNA studies.

Private User

12/22/2021 at 1:35 PM

Link to the topic: https://geneticlincoln.com/nhl-mtdna/

Unfortunately, the FAKE Shipley line continues to propagate from family trees on and off the Web.

The HUMONGOUS red flag is the bogus "Sarah Rachel" name. There is no such name ANYWHERE among ANY of the Anne Arundel Dorseys. Sarahs, yes; Rachels, yes - but NO "Sarah Rachel". And none of the Sarahs OR Rachels married any Shipley.

Erica Howton C

12/22/2021 at 2:02 PM

Apparently the Shipley connection to President Lincoln was disproved in 1929.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_(captain)_

10. The assertion that Abraham was first married to Mary Shipley was refuted by William E. Barton, The Lineage of Lincoln, 1929, pp. 71-73, 176, 178, 181-183.From pp. 71-72, regarding Robert and Mary Shipley of Lunenburg County, Virginia, and their alleged five daughters, "...these five daughters are not to be found in the Virginia records." Barton's final statement on the alleged Mary Shipley, page 182: "There is not a dot on an i nor the cross of a t in any contemporary record to show that Abraham Lincoln of Virginia had any other wife than Bathsheba. Mary Shipley Lincoln is a fictitious character."

I’ll add to the MP for Captain Abraham Lincoln, I

Isn’t Dorsey supposed to have had Royal ancestry?

Private User

12/22/2021 at 3:40 PM

No, the Dorseys were allegedly related to the D'Arcys (a Norman family with a branch that invaded Ireland).

Y-DNA research upset that applecart - the Norman D'Arcys turned out to have a weird haplotype (E-M35), while the Maryland Dorseys had ye olde R-M269 and subclades (and were probably originally native Irish O'Dorchaides).

Apparently a fair number of O'Dorchaides, *besides* the Maryland lot, opted for "Darcy" also (because shorter, simpler and more prestigious).

Erica Howton C

12/22/2021 at 3:55 PM

I’m taking apart the Shipley daughters who belonged to Ann Lee Hanks.

(No Name)

1/21/2022 at 8:35 AM

OMG! I love it when you shout Private User ........
It's exciting - I mean that

Nancy Gail Shaw

10/14/2023 at 12:36 PM

Well I’m a direct descendent of Richard Berry & Rachael Shipley 5th great grandparents and I “do” DNA match both to the Dorsey family of Maryland and the Hank family. Unless you have actual DNA from an Abraham Lincoln descendant, I can’t see how you can totally discount the stories handed down by the Berry & Shipley families. Some may not be exactly correct but too many to all be wrong about the connections.

Private User

10/15/2023 at 9:05 AM

Oh here we go again. There are basically three kinds of DNA in genetic research: Y-DNA (useful for tracing male-to-male-to-male descent, useless for anything else), mtDNA (useful for tracing female-to-female-to-female descent, difficult to trace because of family name changes, useless for anything else), and autosomal DNA (can and often does trace anybody-to-anybody, but the "signal to noise ratio" degrades so fast it's only good for about 5-7 generations without a *lot* of luck).

When most people talk about their "DNA matches" these days, it's usually autosomal DNA - and they're not taking into account the "endogamy effect", where a small and inbred gene pool produces many more connections than you would normally expect, and not necessarily by paths you'd expect. (Anne Arundel County, where the Dorseys settled, is a notorious endogamy hot-spot.)

Sarah Rachel Shipley (Dorsey) - ANOTHER BOGUS "SARAH RACHEL"!!!

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