Wichmann V van Hamaland, graaf van Hamaland - WIchmann IV or V

Started by Private User on Tuesday, May 11, 2021
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Carl,
I started on WIchmann last evening, a couple of things if you could look please,

Most importantly Geni has this profile as WIchmann V. Both Wikipedia.nl and this Dutch encyclopedia here: https://www.berghapedia.nl/index.php?title=Wichman_IV_van_Hamaland have him as WIchmann IV.

Both show WIchmann V as having a short 8 year life

However MEDLANDS and Pattou show him as Wichman V
( I note that Wichmann was both a Dutch and a German name and seem to have quit popular then, here was a WIchmann the family of the Billungen and I’ve seen a parallel descendency with WIchmann I and II in the same time frame.

I updated the death date and location based on the discussions that clarify that Wichmann retired to the abbey on the 799 date where he lived for several more years, dead by 983

Updated the burial location but I’m not quite sure,
1) is a Stife a church building or an ecclesiastical area, and
2) the city Emmerick appears in Germany now but right on the east side of the border. If the border was different when WIchmann was buried and it was a Dutch town then we should use the Dutch name.

I have not found a birth location so can’t confirm what is shown but it seems too generic...

I’ve expanded the Overview tab...

Hi David,

https://www.berghapedia.nl/index.php?title=Wichman_I_van_Hamaland

On Berghapedia is mentioned that Wichmann I retired into an abbey that ‘was founded’ in 799, he himself was born in the middle of the 9th century.

Most of his lands are now in the Netherlands and the bordertown of Emmerich (Dutch: Emmerik) is situated in a Dutch dialect zone, the ‘Niederfrankisches Gebiet’, as all German linguists agree upon. The oldest samples of the Dutch language even originate from Wachtendonk, in the same area not far from it....

It seems to me that by researching these lines there is still a lot of interesting work to do, especially because of the linguistic connections that were somewhat neglected in the past. Problems with double or confused numberings are almost always not too difficult to solve nowadays.

Wishing you much research satisfaction!
KR, CGV

PS: the extra name ‘vilain’ or ‘Villain’ was already used by the lords of Ghent in the early 13th century, but ‘Vilain XIIII’ was only registered during the reign of King Willem I (1815-1830). We are working on the inconsistencies there.

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