Charles Barcroft - Barcroft English ancestry - help !

BRB

Ok!

The problem is that what is most easily accessible are two different family web trees, giving John Barcroft the two sets of parents we have here, and none, none, none, of those trees give sources. Oh, I take that back. One of them gives a source, which is a person who has “personal knowledge.”

No, he doesn’t.

At any rate.

This requires some digging — I can be on it tomorrow. Promise.

I have an illuminating marriage record but that’s as far as I’ve gotten.

Source: Faculty Office Marriage Licences 1543-1700, Page 27, College of Arms, Britain, Marriage Licences: "Charles Barcroft, of St Olave, Southwark, Surrey, Merchant Taylor, Bachelor, 23, & Dorothie Crosby, Spinster, 15, daughter of John Crosby, late of St Alban's, Hertfordshire, Gentleman, deceased; with consent of her mother Mary Crosby, of same, Widow; at parish church of St Alban's aforesaid." https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/COA/MARRLICENCE/00...

There’s a complete - looking study that includes a Key Chart to all the Barcroft of England and America - but managed to miss Charles Barcroft, London vintner, and early settler of Isle of Wight, Virginia Colony. He’s not anywhere in the book, and no one who even comes close, actually. See for yourself:

” Barcroft Family Records, An account of the family in England and the descendants of Ambrose Barcroft”. “key chart ... Barcroft families in England” [https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61157/images/46155... AncestryImage]

I also uploaded the chart to the profile and others who were actually on it.

We do however have the research of Dr. Hotltzclaw, as complied here:

https://static.secure.website/wscfus/263661/uploads/charles_barcrof...

It names a brother John and their father John as well as Charles’ two other wives. Since apparently Charles was Merchant - Taylor, we may be able to confirm his father & brother through those records. But no clue how to fit them into the English Barcroft families so far.

Wow, pretty impressive.

brian

I just found what looks like the real ancestry.

Needs to be validated. https://www.geni.com/images/missing_image.png

John Barcroft

Really frustrating chart -- no citations whatsoever.

I could go make up some chart and it would be just as valid.

SOOOOOOO frustrating.

That’s just a guide so i could see where it supposedly goes, because two different John Barcrofts had been smerged.

Sourced parents here but I didn’t evaluate yet.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/LZKM-V91

Oh, thank goodness. Gave me the vapors.

LOL. I can get rid of the bad charts now. The father listed at Family Search - and one of the alternate fathers smashed onto the smerged John Barcroft - did not not have a son John.

Robert Barcroft, of Barcroft

(He did have a curse! So entertaining - see the links in the “about.” )

So we’re back to not knowing this John’s origins.

His sons who went to Virginia seem to have been of a mercantile background (John is shown as merchant-Taylor and also as a vintner of a London) - what are the better resources to look for?

Replaced the vapor inducing image with a pointer to his will:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/5111/images/40611_...

Can anyone actually read this and is there anything useful? Elizabethan handwriting ....

Lol.

You know that I can read it.

Will mess around and give you the important info.

I’m really glad this profile question got asked.

In chasing “Lewd person” John Barcroft, it looks like his wife was the scandalous one:

Jane Barcroft

Rachel my well beloved wife
Dwelling house on London bridge
Son Robert is not 25 yet
Lands in Croydon, Surrey
Son Charles is not 25 yet
Children Robert, John, Edmund, Charles, Ann, Jane, Rachel, Elizabeth
Cousin Priscilla Talboys
Cousin Anne Fallowfield
A silver spoon “of my fathers marked with the letters T. B.”
Executors the good friends James Trott, Hugh Whitaker, Thomas Wood

Very specific as to details. Rachel is to be maintained well, in either the London Bridge house or the Croydon house, as she chooses.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/bancroft/messages/198.html

There was a JOHN BARCROFT, married to a JANE (Bonython?), who traversed on board the "James" leaving London, England on April 12, 1632, arriving in Lynn, MA on June 12, 1632. They seemed to have been troublemakers (she got caught in the Captain's bed!) and had to leave New England for Virginia.

Very nice Anne! Two houses, an heir, and a Talboys cousin. Shouldn’t this be in Visitations?

Father must be Thomas Barcroft.

Visitations — nah. The heralds’ visitations were for pedigrees and coats of arms; the bishops’ visitations were to see if everybody was behaving, which, of course, no.

The wills are a separate matter.

There’s a Thomas Barcroft whose surviving son and heir was Ambrose, and that Ambrose leads to the Pennsylvania Barcrofts. This is per the IPM taken in 1618, 10 years after his 1608 death, and there’s a John, son of Thomas, to be found in the Burnley register:

"England, Lancashire, Parish Registers 1538-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD8-WHJD : 13 October 2017), John Barcrofte, 06 Apr 1563; citing Christening, St Peter's Church, Burnley, Lancashire, England, volume , Lancashire Record Office, Preston; FHL microfilm 1,517,689. Father: Thomas Barcroft. "England, Lancashire, Parish Registers 1538-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4SS-G2G?cc=1465701 : 13 November 2015), > image 1 of 1; Lancashire Record Office, Preston.

“our” John died 1616 so would not have been noticed in the IPM. So far, no will ....

Thomas Barcroft, of Moisley and Fowlrigge