Anneken Aukes Waertman (van Nuys) - birth location

Hola Alex Moes:

You are right. Both data are incorrect.

Anneken was baptized on January 28 in Amsterdam, so she was surely born there, on that day or shortly before.

As she carried the van nuys surname, I guess someone assumed the Nuis origin and the mistake was carried over.

As for the decease date, she is mentioned (as living, of course) in her father's will, dated May 15, 1694, so 1667 is obviously wrong.

Saludos, Gael

P.S. Her second marriage is on April 9, 1691

Hola Gael,

This is the daughter of "Albert" Jansz, I have read about her but had forgotten the circumstantial evidence that it is a spelling mistake.

I will make the corrections, presumably Ben will not mind.

Nooo... I am talking about the daughter of Auke Janse

Aucke is not Albert

I know Aucke and Albert are not interchangeable but if you look up Annetje's baptism you will see that the registered parents are Albert Jans and Magdelena (sp) Jans.

So either Annetje is not Aucke's daughter or the clerk got the names wrong on the baptismal record, other researchers have looked for further entries for a couple named Albert Jans and Magdelena (sp) Jans in Amsterdam in this time period and found nothing, likewise as i said the other day there is not baptism for an Annetje with a father named Aucke.

If we want a woman in this family named Annetje (and being named in her father's will is pretty damn good evidence that she existed :)) then we have to accept that the baptismal record is wrong.

Several months ago, in private discussions with Ben M. Angel, when collaborating in “repair jobs” after some merge, I think we came to this same issue and reached the same conclusion.

As additional support of the existence of Annetje as Aucke’s daughter:
In page 7 of Van Nuys Genealogy – (A Record of the Family of Isaac Van Nuys AUTHOR: Carrie B. Allen, PUBLICATION: 1916 (the text of page 7 is already in the “About” of the profile of Aucke).

The text names his three wives and nine children, same as Teunis Bergen in 1881.
You can tell their documentary sources were different as there are variations in the spelling of the names.

Issue according to Bergen - Issue according to Allen:
Annetie or Anneken - Annetie
Geertruyd - Gurtruyd
Janneke - Janneke
Jan - Jan
Abagail - Abagail
Pieter - Pieter
Jacobus - Jacobus
Femitie - Femitie
and (sup.) Yda - and Ida

Besides, in Aucke's profile (in "Souces"), there are several additional documentary support to validate your conclusión.

I am not disputing that Aucke had a daughter.

What I am is saying is that no one named "Aucke" baptised a child in Amsterdam on 28 Jan 1646. There is a baptism of a child named Annetje on that day in Nieuwe Kerk but the father is named Albert Jans (see here: https://media.geni.com/p13/2f/df/5d/4a/53444841235288ac/annetje_bap... ).

I’m sorry.I should have read the thread more calmly.

I think you are right in your conclusion. It is a registration mistake when recording the event.

I have personally witnessed a priest scrabbling the names in a paper before a religious ceremony and then voicing the mistake outloud during the ceremony and later on, carrying the same mistake when making the transcription into the record books.
In some other part of my tree I have a Maria Elvira married as Maria Eloisa (same age, same town, same parents, same husband when baptizing, etc).
I saw this Albert earlier this year and I jumped to the same conclusion.