Richard Parsons - Disastrous merge of gf and gs Richard Parsons, needs surgery.

In short, Jonathan/Richard/John/Richard has been mangled into Jonathan/Richard , with various secondary illness from that --bogus dates and marriages.

This is besides Richard's bogus father-in-law.

If this message does not get you help - try re-posting here: http://www.geni.com/discussions/142108

We need a lot more information to be able to investigate it.

I looked at it yesterday and without anymore information there wasn't much more that I could do. I was able to make two Wiki matches that agreed with the information of the Richard that you mentioned.

1) What profiles were involved with the disastrous merges of the gf and gs? Who was involved, how should they be different, and what are the sources?

2) Should his name be Richard/Jonathan/John and what source proves the fact?

3) We would need to know what dates are bogus for whatever profiles including marriages and what the dates should be along with the source.

4) Father-in-law info? , etc. etc

There are a lot of good people here that would be willing to help in this area or any other area of the big tree. It should be everyone's top priority to add new profiles and make corrections wherever necessary if the data is present.

I personally have a few ties into the Parsons family. I think it would be great to find a better source than any other previously available to help us improve the accuracy of a section of any part of the tree. That is the fun part.

I would be glad to help.

This seems to be a long standing question about Richard Parsons, Most people think that there are two Richard Parsons and that their information is getting mixed up or combined into one Richard.

Here is a link to one message board on Ancestry. I am sure that there are a lot more out there:

Questions on the Two Richard Parsons

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.parsons/1617.1.1/mb.ashx

David & Rickey

I'm thinking I should help by re doing my connection into this tree from bottom up Nancy Mary Howton

You will probably come up with something since we seem to follow the same path a lot in our trees.

Who ever belongs in Richard Parsons place is:

Richard Parsons is my 6th great grandfather

So I've got unsourced ancestry trees claiming that

Joseph Parsons
1715 – 1749

Susannah Woody
1720 – 1740

Are the parents of Joseph Garrett Parsons, Sr.

Which sourced Rootsweb trees have as born in Dover, England to unknown parents -- not to Henrico VA plantation owners.

What do you think? I'm thinking "cut."

I've disconnected Joseph Parsons, IV as father of Joseph Garrett Parsons, Sr.

Much too weak a connection.

Is Nancy Mary Parsons the woman who married a Dixson? That one is my gggmother, and I knew her daughter Emily Dixson Flowers. My Nancy Parsons was d/o Jonathan Parsons and Nancy Jenkins. Jonathan was born in 1813 and is buried near Red Clay, in Bradley Counry, Tennessee. He is my ggg grandfather. His fathee was the Richard Parsons who was destroyed by an ill-advised merge with his own grandfather b. 1720.

Is this the Nancy Parsons that you mean?

http://www.geni.com/search?search_type=people&names=Nancy+Mary+... I don't see her in a search?

Disconnected Richard Parsons b 1812 from his grandparents.

Is this compare screen correct for parents?

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000001922732811?to=6000000031...

If so, press "merge" and we can progress from there. I think this might fix the problem.

Were there two different Betsy Flowers in different generations, both married Richard Parsons?

This one seems born 1725, not 1812 or so ....

Lydia Parsons

I suggest we use this source

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PARSONS/2010-01/12628...

With caveats - for example

George (abt 1750 - 16 Jun 1846) m1. Anne Griffith, m2. Sarah Hardin

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Looks like DNA evidence has disproven the George Parsons who married Sarah Hardin from the Rev War soldier Richard Parsons line, and is an entirely different Parsons line.

Merging is helping.

OK, now I've run out of good source reference.

It looks like Jonathan Parsons, of Bradley, TN needs new parents entered, and their parents identified correctly.

I am disconnecting Jonathan from Richard Parsons & Elizabeth Parsons

(something is wrong with those profiles anyway)

I presume the missing generation is Richard Parsons & Betsy Flowers, and that Richard is a son of ?? Born 1740-1755 in Pittsylvania VA, a son of Richard Parsons & Lydia Parsons

?

Advise when done.

What I have is that the in-between Parsons was John Sr.

There is also confusion even between two possible Jonathans. My Jonathan died in Bradley County TN, not in Tishomingo County, MS.

Mine married Nancy Jenkins.

I guess I will re-entee what I have.

Thank you for your work.

You said Betsy Flowers. You mean Betsy Feathers, right? ☺

Who knows! I've run out of good source to follow. :).

It would seem the MS branch of Parsons is different? So if they show up in this group, holler.

I think it's now about two generations to re enter, and when thats done, I'll make MP to reduce the same name / similar dates issue in the future.

My Jonathan Parsons B. 1813 they say, is solid as my ffmmf . He did die in Bradley County, TN, where the next 5 generations including me were born.

I had previously enterred his parents a Richard Parsons much too young to be the 1720 RP, and Elizabeth ( Betsy ) Feathers.

Someone, one day after joining geni, both did and was allowed to -- crudely merge him with his possible grandfather RP 1720.

There are other confusions, another recent Jonathan B. 1797, at least one other older RP's. Eliz. Feathers's age has been retrofitted to approximate her bogus husband RP 1720.

What I would like is for my 1758 RP and wife E. Feathers to be restored.

Failing that, and assuming geni will again let me enter anyone although a free member, IS some confidence that some other wandering unrelated newby will not butcher it again.

After that, I with the others wish to try to resolve the subtler issues.

Why on Earth did someone think that RP 1720 had a son B.1813 ?

Rickey, once the profiles are re entered, I can make them MP. But it would be better if you did the entries as they are your family, and yes, of course you can add profiles.

As to what happened / why / when, does it matter? We just progress to fixing & doing our best to prevent & forestall re occurrences. The more complete the profile information, including images, the less mixup there is.

OK, thanks. I'll )(*&)& re-enter.

I tried a couple of years ago, and geni told me I could not because I was not a paid member. But, I'll try again now.

Forestalling would include cautioning and/or preventing unrelated day-old wanderers from making damaging mis-merges, I hope.

Thanks for your help!

Geni changed that - this link describes the different subscription levels currently

http://help.geni.com/forums/382722-Premium-Subscriptions

Yes, MPs work pretty well, and we have the "curators please assist" discussion to un-do new accidental Mis merges, etc.

http://www.geni.com/discussions/142108

Thanks Erica and Rickey for working on the Parsons family line. I have a direct family tie to the Parsons family so I would also like to see any corrections made.

Within the last week a correction was made in another family that changed the path of my family tree branch. It is nice to see my actual ancestry.

Thanks

I'm so confused

My Jonathan Parsons ( married Nancy Jenkins, died in Bradley TN, B. 1813 ) was linked by me years ago to parents Richard Parsons and wife Elizabeth "Betsy" Feathers, then to father John, then his father Richard Parsons B. 1720 with Lydia Briggs AND Betsy Feathers. My Jonathan just now -- thank you -- is a nice clean orphan for me to re-enter, in the near term.

Later, I will explore whether this ancestry actually belongs my Jonathan or to another Jonathan P. born 1797 and died Tishamingo MS.

Also later, I'll join to wondering about the at least two candidates for the relevant older Richard Parsons.

Better, Susan?

My view is that Lydia Briggs was born in the early 1700's and was the only wife of Richard Parsons. When this Richard was merged with the late 1700's Richard, possibly his grandson via John, the wife of the later RP, E. Feathers, was added bogusly as RP 1720's other wife. Then she was retrofitted with a birthdate to be slightly younger than her "husband".

Ricky - one thing to keep in mind. Mixing up Richard Parsons b 1720 m Lydia Briggs with his grandson who married Betsey Feathers is not a Geni Mis merge, it's a researcher mixup from years ago. My bet would be DAR records are at fault.

Susan Gammon

Susan we're getting there!

When I started making connections outside my Howton tree I found these names frequently occurring

Parsons
Clark
Franklin

I thought I had fallen into a demented Alabama version of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

Someone may have mindlessly copied DAR information that was wrong, BUT they were properly separate here, until someone ON THEIR SECOND DAY AT GENI ( who was not even a close relative ) MERGED THEM in.spite.of. a 93 year birth year gap between Jonathan P. 1813 and Richard Parsons 1720.

Now, it could be obscure what the actual truth IS but it is screamingly obvious that this ISN'T, but is absurd.

Am I speaking in Martian? What am I missing here?

I usually go R. D. because people somehow can not copy Rickey accurately.

My.name.is.not.Ricky.