Joris (Jeronimus) Trico - "St. Nicholas, Pris"

Started by Alex Moes on Monday, September 15, 2014
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Private User i see you have been having discussions in the BAout sections :)

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"It occurs to (this researcher) that "St. Nicholas, Pris" might be a bastardization of St. Nicolas, ==parish== in Valenciennes... in other words, pris was confused with PARIS in someone's notes.... At any rate the family lived in Valenciennes... not elsewhere! (contributed by Michael M. van Beuren January 25, 2014)."

Are you aware that St. Nicholas is the name of the church in the town square of, Prisches?

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_de_Prisches

"Au centre se dresse l’église Saint-Nicolas. L’habitat de Prisches est très groupé primitivement et organisé comme les villes neuves du xiie siècle."

I'm pretty sure this is a photo of it
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisches#mediaviewer/File:Prisches.jpg

I'm sure you know Prisches is the infamous "Pris".

So i don't think Pris is a typo for parish.

What i am not seeing at the moment is if the Trico family lived in Pris why do you say they lived in Valenciennes? There is 30 miles between them. My thought at this point is that Valenciennes is the regional center and that the Pris records have been moved there though a process of centralisation

as for his name?

(notice: a recent transcription of the parish of St Nicolas, Valenciennes, Dept du Nord records that list the following baptisms which all list the father's given name as Pier (Pierre?). This contradicts the "JORIS " given name on this profile.... unless: JORIS had "PIER" as a second given name... (?)
, in my opinion it is just as likely that "Pier" is just another given name for Jean, the subject of this profile. After all, Jean Pierre is a quite common given name in French naming tradition)
(Once again: each of these children's fathers is named "Pier" in the St. Nicolas parish records ... could "Pier" be another given name for Jeronomis?)
If his name was Jean Pierre, or just Pier, where does Joris (a _Dutch_ version of George) come from? Equally Jeronomis is also a Dutch name so how does that tie in with Pier? Not to mention “Geronimus” which has to just be a spelling variant

You are right: The ABOUT section needs to be cleaned up. The family was from Prisches not Valanciennes.

I must have written the bit about "parish" before I figured out the Paris/Priches scribbling error.

As for church names: Are you suggesting that the baptisms might have occurred in Priches? Or, is it just a coincidence that both churches are called St. Nicholas?

I think the baptisms were in Pris, travelling 30 miles in 1600 was a big trip, why not use the church in town center?

Is there even a St. Nicholas in Valenciennes?

Coincidence?

"Tricot" in French translates as "knitting"... so for a family of borat workers is quite appropriate.

Tricot is in northern France 100km SW of Pris

In fact the Tricot / Tricault family - and specifically perhaps even our jeronimus - is associated with developing a weaving technique & pattern still in use today. Diagonal silk patterns are very strong and used, say, for the interiors of luggage. The nylon tricot fabric was very popular in the 1960s for ladies underthings. Had an unfortunate flammability to it so the nylon is not used as much. Neither are slips for that matter ...

Anyway it is possible

- the Tricot & Rapelier families were associated by trade & craft & ... Long before the Amsterdam marriage
- we are now seeing a possible source of funds for Marie Flammen of the thousands of guilders

I also had an impression that perhaps Prisches was only a stop off for the Tricot family ...

I still feel like "de la Fontaine dit Wicart" is the link (and possibly the cash).

Our best info is that Joris' dad was a miller, an important social function but not BIG $.

Also Marie is a step-daughter only of the Tricot family so inheritance would trend more towards Cat and Margarite (and brothers).

I had a little history lesson about Haarlem today, amongst other interesting factoids "in 1621, over 50% of the population was Flemish-born. Haarlem's linen became notable and the city flourished."

Which supports the idea that Michele died in Haarlem, probably living with one of her children.

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