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Trying to find out more about Peter N. Newbury and Alma S. Newbury

Unfortunately my ability to read Swedish or to access Swedish sources is nil. I do know they emigrated from Sweden to the Boston, MA area circa 1893 as a recently married couple, and raised 8 children.

Private User i'm looking for a dutch one as i have a dutch lady that sent me a request about some dutch lines i had in the 1500's

Private User or ann m berge.. http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Curators_on_Geni

Have put them both in the Collaboration Project and am hoping for the best.

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Maven - I've done a little across the pond with Scandinavia for that Chelsea MA area. It was a fascinating one because we were able to do some tracking by "first" learning more about their life in MA - where they worked & their community affiliations. The names you're dealing with are very common & you might need to refine their origins. Swedish church records & census reports are coming on line; I think the baptismal records are pay sites. Agneta Åhrberg might also have some hints for you.

These characters are my partner's maternal grandparents - we've got his paternal side pretty well taped out (hoo boy have we!), but he knows zilch about this side and is curious.

Yes maybe I can help, but I need to lnow with what. (Swedish is my mother language).

Maven - upload census reports if you can. The Scandinavian woman I worked on in Mass was working at the rubber shoe factory in Malden around 1900 while her husband worked as a tanner down the street. From the occupations we were eventually able to connect living family descent.

I have looked a little at the profiles "Nyborg". A quick look.

The names all seems danish, or maybe norwegian. Not at all swedish. Maybe it was only the ship that was from Sweden?

There is a mixture of using the name of the city/the recidence as a familyname. I.e. Nyborg (translated into Newbury) is in danish pronounced very much alike the english Newbury.

Here is a link to english Wikipedia about the small city Nyborg in Denmark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyborg

In Sweden we don't have the same way of using the patronymicon and name traditions as i Denmark and Norway. I looked at page 1 on the Geni searchpage for Nyborg and thought "This is not swedish." Is it danish or norwegian? Probarbly danish. So Denmark ought to be the primeraly search area. I can still be of some use, but there are differences I don't know off at all.

Martin Eriksen och Bjørn P. Brox could tell more for sure.

Found the immigration records and they said "Sweden" - but just that, and maybe that was the point of departure rather than where they actually lived. Spelling has obviously been Anglicized and may have been distorted.

I can't tell you much more than that.

I only looked at the public profiles and there are several danish and norwegian profile managers in that Geni area.

Private User he and she are my 8th cousin's four times removed's wife's father..

Maven I smart matched to a census record, it said where they lived & that he ran a furniture store (I think - hard to read). They emigrated 1890 - she would have been only 17. So if you can get that into the profiles we can start looking at ship manifests perhaps, port of Boston. They didn't exist in a family vacuum & weren't pioneers in a pioneering area so somebody had family, or a Church group. They look educated, at least the children were. So just from that quick glance I know more ...

Agneta I though Nyborg might be a Danish name!

Olson sounds Swedish (if Danish or Norwegian it would be Olsen), but Nyborg could be any Scandinavian country.

Here is the exact birth date and a middle name on Elvia : https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FCB2-5Y5
A possible twin? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FHDQ-X8G

Immigration?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KFDK-FX7

On the birth record for Axel it says that both parents are from Sweden: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FXX2-GM2

I think it would be smart to look at the ships leaving Scandinavian ports for Boston.
Yes Olsson sounds swedish, but look at the other names and name traditions in the profiles.

What I mean with the pronounciation of Nyborg that change into Newbury, is the change into Newbury, and then we come closer to danish or norwegian. The phonetics differ from Nyborg in Sweden/Norway compared to Danish.

We must remember that the ships collected passengers from the harbours in Sweden, Denmark and England before crossing the Atlantic ocean.

All documentation so far says Sweden as origin on both, so there is no reason to try other theories at the moment,

The 1900 US Census which I have not yet found, contains according to Maven information that Peter was named Peter N. Nyborg and born March 1857 and Alma S. Olson was born in October 1873.

They was already married when they immigrated, so a search for their marriage in Swedish records is a place to start,

Unfortunately the swedes require that you pay to get access to archives which is most other countries is public information...

Newbury the orginal name can be Nyberg and not Nyborg

Nyborg in Sweden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyborg,_Sweden

There are places in Sweden named Nyberg too (for instance http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Nyberg-weather/Dalarnas-Lan/SE.aspx), but they don't rate their own Wikipedia article.

Given that it was used as a last name, it's probably a farm, not the town, though, and that basically means it can be anywhere.

Port of origin for a lot of Norwegian immigrants was actually in the UK - they took one ship across the North Sea, took a train (?) across England, and departed on ships from the UK West Coast for the US. Nobody would go to Sweden to catch the boat to the US - it's the wrong direction.

Sveriges befolkning 1880 [Swedish Census 1880], s.v. “1880-13-2-366”, CD-ROM published by Riksarkivet/National Archives of Sweden, 2010.

The only “Nyborg” born in 1857—in this database—is Nyborg, Jöns b. in Sireköpinge, Malmöhus County, Skåne. Looking instead at “Nyberg” we find:

Nyberg, Nils Peter b. 1857 in Laholm, Halland County
Man, single. Dräng http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C3%A4ng
Living in Elestorp, Tjärby, Halland County

Want me to dive deeper?

Try to find Alma S. Olson, born in October 1873.

1900-census (Ancestry.com):
Head: Peter N. Newberg is born March 1857 in Sweden, immigrated in 1891, married in 1892. Living as a tailor in Chelsea, Suffolk, MA, been unemployed for 6 months.
Wife: Alma S. Newberg is born Oct. 1873 in Sweden, immigrated in 1891, married in 1892. 3 living children out of 3 born.
Daughter: Elvia H. Newberg, born in July 1895 in MA.
Son: Axel G. Newberg, born in June 1897 in MA.
Daughter: Eveline Newberg, born in Dec 1898 in MA.

I've seen a number of cases of swapping of first and middle name with US immigrants recently (even different census records show names swapped) - don't know why. So it's entirely possible that Peter N. Nyberg matches Nils Peter Newberg (Newberg and Nyberg both mean "new mountain", so it would make sense too).

I've been able to follow them from that point on - it's where they came from and, if possible, who their ancestors were that I (we) would like to know.

Harald Tveit Alvestrand the tough part about nordic is the pantomonic and farm names.. for example andsdotter... ann's daugther?

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