Sir Edward Tame, Kt.

Re: Edward Greville's brother-in-law, Sir Edmund Tame

   * From: "John H" <JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx>

   * Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:36:30 +0930

Thanks for the reply Douglas,

I have looked at the notes under Sir Edward that show the D1224 etc and I

(having inherited this databse as previously stated) get the impressionthat

the d1224 followed by opther numbers appears to be a mortgage number for the

vasrious transactions that Anne and son John were guarantors.

Now where it came from I dont know, but further down there is the following

(U269 T246/2), which appears to refer to a document from A2A

A search on A2A using Edward Greville brought up many similar references.

I will attempt to locate where Brother in Law got this D1224 from and if I

locate source I will advise through group.

re Elizabeth Tame, nothing showing an Elizabeth Tame or an Elizabeth married

to a Edmund Tame, but the B in Law didnt diverge passed the direct line

much.

DR said:

   I believe the younger Sir Edmund Tame was married to Katherine Dennis.

   The younger Sir Edmund Tame appears to have had no issue. His heir was

   his sister, Margaret Tame, who married in 1528 Sir Humphrey Stafford.

Data in this database seems to agree with statement above , although it only

shows a Katherine without a surname, rest matches, including dying out of

male Tame line after the Edward who died in c1544..

re Elizabeth Greville, sister mentioned in Sir Edwards Will of 1528/9, for

what its worth, this database shows Elizabeth born ?? died c 1545 married to

Thomas Neville with son John Neville. No sources or other notes except that

he states "Elizabeth inherited the Manor of Tetbury".

Other siblings of Elizabeth shown are

Ann Greville married to Thomas Denton (Brother of Anne Denton)

[Denton children's father shown as John Robert Thomas Denton who Lived

Armesden, Buckinghamshire, Eng. with wife Isabell Browne]

Agnes Greville married to Edmund Tame

Sir Edward Greville married to Anne Denton (sister of Thomas Denton, also

shows an Isabel Denton married to unknown Greville)

Robert Greville married to Isabel Wyncott

Boy you guys are getting me to look in areas I havent ever looked before and

I see a lot of work needed to get missing sources etc .

regards

John H

"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@xxxxxxx> wrote in message

news:1151424854.069001.207370@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   Dear John ~

   I believe there were two Sir Edmund Tames in succession, they being

   father and son. I believe the elder Sir Edmund Tame, of Fairford,

   Gloucestershire, died in 1534, as per his brass. He was married twice.

   He appears to have been survived by a wife named Elizabeth, as

   indicated by the Chancery Proceeding item below dated 1544-1551:

   C 1/1128/50-51: Thomas, John and Edward, sons of Anthony HUNGREFORD,

   knight, and others, v. Thomas BRUDENELL, knight, executor of Elizabeth,

   late the wife of Edmund Tame, knight.: Legacies of sheep.: GLOUCESTER.

   Date: 1544-1551 [Source: National Archives catalogue,

   http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp).

   I believe the younger Sir Edmund Tame was married to Katherine Dennis.

   The younger Sir Edmund Tame appears to have had no issue. His heir was

   his sister, Margaret Tame, who married in 1528 Sir Humphrey Stafford.

   I note that Sir Edward Greville's will dated 1528 mentions his sister,

   Elizabeth, and his brother-in-law, Sir Edmund Tame. It is tempting to

   think that Sir Edward Greville's sister was Elizabeth, wife of Sir

   Edmund Tame, named in the Chancery record above. By any chance, do you

   have any particulars on Elizabeth, wife of Sir Edmund Tame?

   One other question for John: In your posts, you have twice referred to

   a source for Sir Edward Greville and his first wife, Anne Denton, which

   you have identified only as D1224. What is this source?

   Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

   Website: www. royalancestry. net

   * From: "John H" <JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx>

   * Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:14:06 +0930

Still looking re D1224

Another possiblity is a catalogue number for A2A.

Anyone got any thoughts on what it is?

regards

John H

"John H" <JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

news:44a2a8f6_2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

   Thanks for the reply Douglas,

   I have looked at the notes under Sir Edward that show the D1224 etc and I

   (having inherited this databse as previously stated) get the

   impressionthat the d1224 followed by opther numbers appears to be a

   mortgage number for the vasrious transactions that Anne and son John were

   guarantors.

   Now where it came from I dont know, but further down there is the

   following (U269 T246/2), which appears to refer to a document from A2A

   A search on A2A using Edward Greville brought up many similar references.

   I will attempt to locate where Brother in Law got this D1224 from and if I

   locate source I will advise through group.

   re Elizabeth Tame, nothing showing an Elizabeth Tame or an Elizabeth

   married to a Edmund Tame, but the B in Law didnt diverge passed the direct

   line much.

   DR said:

       I believe the younger Sir Edmund Tame was married to Katherine Dennis.

       The younger Sir Edmund Tame appears to have had no issue. His heir was

       his sister, Margaret Tame, who married in 1528 Sir Humphrey Stafford.

   Data in this database seems to agree with statement above , although it

   only shows a Katherine without a surname, rest matches, including dying

   out of male Tame line after the Edward who died in c1544..

   re Elizabeth Greville, sister mentioned in Sir Edwards Will of 1528/9, for

   what its worth, this database shows Elizabeth born ?? died c 1545 married

   to Thomas Neville with son John Neville. No sources or other notes except

   that he states "Elizabeth inherited the Manor of Tetbury".

   Other siblings of Elizabeth shown are

   Ann Greville married to Thomas Denton (Brother of Anne Denton)

   [Denton children's father shown as John Robert Thomas Denton who Lived

   Armesden, Buckinghamshire, Eng. with wife Isabell Browne]

   Agnes Greville married to Edmund Tame

   Sir Edward Greville married to Anne Denton (sister of Thomas Denton, also

   shows an Isabel Denton married to unknown Greville)

   Robert Greville married to Isabel Wyncott

   Boy you guys are getting me to look in areas I havent ever looked before

   and I see a lot of work needed to get missing sources etc .

   regards

   John H

   "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@xxxxxxx> wrote in message

   news:1151424854.069001.207370@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

       Dear John ~

       I believe there were two Sir Edmund Tames in succession, they being

       father and son. I believe the elder Sir Edmund Tame, of Fairford,

       Gloucestershire, died in 1534, as per his brass. He was married twice.

       He appears to have been survived by a wife named Elizabeth, as

       indicated by the Chancery Proceeding item below dated 1544-1551:

       C 1/1128/50-51: Thomas, John and Edward, sons of Anthony HUNGREFORD,

       knight, and others, v. Thomas BRUDENELL, knight, executor of Elizabeth,

       late the wife of Edmund Tame, knight.: Legacies of sheep.: GLOUCESTER.

       Date: 1544-1551 [Source: National Archives catalogue,

       http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp).

       I believe the younger Sir Edmund Tame was married to Katherine Dennis.

       The younger Sir Edmund Tame appears to have had no issue. His heir was

       his sister, Margaret Tame, who married in 1528 Sir Humphrey Stafford.

       I note that Sir Edward Greville's will dated 1528 mentions his sister,

       Elizabeth, and his brother-in-law, Sir Edmund Tame. It is tempting to

       think that Sir Edward Greville's sister was Elizabeth, wife of Sir

       Edmund Tame, named in the Chancery record above. By any chance, do you

       have any particulars on Elizabeth, wife of Sir Edmund Tame?

       One other question for John: In your posts, you have twice referred to

       a source for Sir Edward Greville and his first wife, Anne Denton, which

       you have identified only as D1224. What is this source?

       Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

       Website: www. royalancestry. net

   * From: WJhonson@xxxxxxx

   * Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:25:54 +0000 (UTC)

In a message dated 6/23/06 6:55:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

JohnH4999@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

<< re Robert Greville mentioned above:

Upon Marriage to Margaret (nee Arle), he gained Arle Court. Eventually it

passed to his brother William (Judge of Common Pleas) Approx 1520, Sir

Edward Greville transferred the Charlton Kings and Ashley Manor properties

to Robert. Will dated 7/2/1548 and was proved before 25th March 1548 (GRO

1548/76) Buried inside of Parish church Charlton Kings although there was a

family vault at Cheltenham.(CK 1548/9) Surname also shown as "Grevyle" on

will. >>

With such an early property transfer, this Robert must be his brother ?

Thanks

Will Johnson

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