Robert fitz Picot de Saye, II

ROBERT de Say . A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Picot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1055].

Above, the Latin text is translated: "Roberto de Say, and his wife who was surnamed Adaloye Picot and his sons, Robert (whom this profile belongs to) and Henry," with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Roger, earl, Picot, Robert, his son, Henry, son of Picot, Picot Adeloye - wife "[1055].

for full context, see below.

Charles Cawley writes in http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm:

ROBERT de Say "Picot" (-after 1086).

A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" [trans: Robert de Say who is known as Picot and his wife Adeloye and Robert and Henry his sons] with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1050]. [trans: Count Roger, Picot, his son Robert, Henry son of Picot, Adeloye wife of Picot.]

"…Picotum vicecomitem…" [trans. Vicomte Picot] witnessed the charter under which William I King of England confirmed the rights of Ely abbey[1051]. "…Ivonem Taillebois, Petrum de Valoines, Picotem vicecomitem, Ticlum de Helum, Hugonem de Hosdeng" witnessed the charter dated to [1080] under which William I King of England confirmed the customs of Ely monastery[1052]. [trans. note: Other witnesses were Ivo Taillebois, Peter de Valoines, Ticlum de Helum and Hugo de Hosdeng]

Domesday records 27 manors in Shropshire held by "Picot", including Clun[1053].

m ADELAIS, daughter of ---. A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1054].

Robert & his wife had two children:

a) ROBERT de Say . A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1055].

b) HENRY de Say (-after [1129/30]). A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxori…et…Roberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1056].

c) [ELIAS de Say (-1160 or before). Eyton suggests that Elias was the son of Henry de Say but he cites no primary source which suggests that this might be the case[1057]. According to Domesday Descendants, Henry was "brother and successor" [1140] of Henry de Say of Clun[1058]. Lord of Clun, Shropshire. "…Brianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eius…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfo…ab avo meo Rogerio"[1059].] m ---. The name of Elias´s wife is not known. Elias & his wife had two children:

i) BRIAN de Say . "…Brianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eius…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfo…ab avo meo Rogerio"[1060].
ii) ISABEL de Say (-[1199][1061]). “Willielmus de Boterell” confirmed the donation, for the soul of “Willielmi filii mei”, by “domina Isabella de Say uxor mea” of the church of St George, Clun to Wenlock Priory, by undated charter witnessed by “Brientio de Say…Hugone Peverell…”[1062]. m firstly ([1153/54]%29 as his second wife, WILLIAM FitzAlan, son of ALAN FitzFlaald & his [second] wife Aveline d'Hesdin (-1160). m secondly ([1160/66]) as his second wife, GEOFFREY de Vere, son of AUBREY de Vere & his wife Adelisa [Alice] de Clare (-1170). Lord of Clun and Oswestry, Shropshire. Sheriff of Shropshire 1167 to 1170[1063]. m thirdly ([1171]) as his first wife, WILLIAM Boterel [II] of Cornwall, son of WILLIAM Boterel [I] & his wife Alice Corbet (-[1211]).

Sources

[1050] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1051] Liber Eliensis, Vol. I, II, 117, p. 252.

[1052] Dugdale Monasticon I, Ely Monastery, Cambridgeshire, X, p. 477.

[1053] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 227.

[1054] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1055] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1056] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.

[1057] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 228.

[1058] Domesday Descendants, p. 679, citing Rees (1975) Shrewsbury Cartulary, no. 350b.

[1059] Robillard de Beaurepaire, C. de (ed.) ´Recueil de chartes concernant l´abbaye de Saint-Victor-en-Caux´, Mélanges, documents publiés et annotés par MM Ch. de Beaurepaire, Paul le Cacheux, A. Héron et Hipplyte Sauvage, 5ème série (Rouen, 1898) ("Caux Saint-Victor"), II, p. 370.

[1060] Caux Saint-Victor, II, p. 370.

[1061] Domesday Descendants, p. 680.

[1062] Dugdale Monasticon V, Wenlock Priory, Shropshire, V, p. 76.

[1063] CP X Appendix J, p. 113.