Robert Erneys

Robert de Erneys was the son of Richard de Erneys, merchant of Cheshire. He married Joan de Molyneux, daughter of Sir William de Molyneux, Knight, of Sefton. He was father of Alice de Erneys.

From A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 3, pp. 131-140

• When Robert Erney married Joan, daughter of William de Molyneux of Sefton, William granted to Robert son of Richard Erneys, citizen and merchant of Chester, all his lands and wood in the vill of Speke, with homages, wards, and reliefs of the heirs of Patrick de Haselwell and Roger de Molyneux, the granter's brother. This grant was confirmed by Richard, the son of William de Molyneux in about 1290, sometime before the death of Robert Erneys.
• Robert, Uncle of this Robert, settled at Chester early in the 13th Centry. He was sheriff of the city in 1257 and 1259, and his nephew Robert married Joan de Molyyneux and served in the same office several times, and probably died during his term in 1292/3.

He is listed as "Robert" on Dugdale's Visitation, but is listed as "Roger" in many other sources.

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• The Victoria history of the county of Lancaster; (1906)
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• .... William de Molyneux of Sefton granted in free marriage with his daughter Joan to Robert son of Richard Erneys, a citizen and merchant of Chester, all his lands and wood in the vill of Speke with the homages, wards, and reliefs of the heirs of Patrick de Haselwell and Roger de Molyneux, the grantor's brother.(8) This grant was confirmed by Richard son of William de Molyneux about 1290, or before the death of Robert Erneys.(9)
• The origin of the Erneys family seems to be unknown. Robert FitzErneys was settled at Chester early in the thirteenth century.(10) He was sheriff of the city in 1257 and 1259, and his nephew Robert, who married Joan de Molyneux, served in the same office several times, and probably died during his term in 1292-3.(11)
• Richard, the son of Robert and Joan, appears to have been but an infant at his father's death. The earliest deeds in which he took an active part concern the marriage of his sister Mabel with Thomas de Carleton in 1308 ; but from 1311 onwards many of his charters are extant. In 1314 he and his mother made an exchange of lands in Speke with John le Norreys and Nicholaa his wife.(12) In 1332 he granted his manor of Speke to John le Norreys for life, by the service of a rose yearly for the first four years, and afterwards of 40 marks ; and at the end of 1339 he granted to Alan le Norreys, son and successor of John, and to his sons Alan and Hugh for life all his lands in Speke, and the rents of the free tenants and tenants at will, by the yearly service of a rose for four years and L40 in silver afterwards.(13) After this he intervened but little in Speke.
• In 1341 he made a small exchange of land with Sir John de Molyneux, and a year afterwards a marriage settlement was executed in favour of his son Thomas and Agnes his wife, daughter of Alan le Norreys.(14)
• Probably Thomas died without issue, for the next Erneys to be mentioned is Roger son and heir of Richard Erneys, who in 1369 made a feoffment of his lands and tenements, rents and services, mills and fisheries, in the vill of Speke, &c.(15) Richard Erneys, the father, seems to have been still living in 1351, and Roger is first mentioned nine years later in conjunction with Sir John de Molyneux and Sir Henry
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• le Norreys, in pleas concerning lands and encroachments at Speke. (1)
• In 1379 he made an arrangement with Cecily, widow of Sir John le Norreys, as to the custody of the heir, Henry le Norreys.(2) The next step seems to have been the marriage of Henry le Norreys with Roger's daughter Alice ; and as the latter became heir of the Erneys properties on the death of John her brother about 1396,(3) the Norreys family acquired the lordship of Speke, in which their subordinate tenancy of a moiety became merged.
  • (1) Duchy of Lanc. Assize R. 8, m. 14 ; Assize R. 441, m. 5.
  • In 1367 Roger Erneys, being of full age, received a fifth part of the manor of Little Neston in Ches. in right of his mother, Joan, sister and co-heir of John le Blund (White) of Chest. ; Ormerod, Ches. ii, 539.
  • (2) She and Geoffrey de Osbaldeston, her second husband, were to take charge of the land and the heir, viz. Henry son and heir of Sir John, and half the manor of Speke (the Norreys part). Should Henry die while a minor they were to have charge of his sister Katherine, paying to Roger or his executors 25 marks of silver and an additional 10 marks within six months from Henry's death, supposing that Katherine should in that event be living and under 14 years of age ; Norris D. (B.M.), 588.
  • (3) Roger Erneys occurs down to 1395 ; Dep. Keeper's Rep. xxxvi, App. p. 98. Most of these particulars are from the Norris Charters ; one of them, dated 1421, is a grant to Sir Henry le Norreys and Alice his wife, daughter and heir of Roger Erneys. At the Chester Port moot in June, 1395, John Erneys claimed an oven as grandson and heir of Richard Erneys. — Information of Mr. W. F. Irvine.
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• Of Sir John le Norreys, the next lord of Speke, but little is known. In 1369 he granted to feoffees his manor of Speke, together with lands in Garston, Hale, Woolton, Walton, Ince, and Lydiate.(4) He died about three years afterwards, leaving a widow and three young children — Henry, Katherine, and Agnes. In November, 1372, an agreement was entered into by Cecily his widow with Nicholas le Norreys of Halsnead,(5) and Gilbert le Norreys, coroner, with regard to the children. She was to be responsible for their living and clothing, such as belonged to their estate, for the next twelve years, and to make suitable provision for each of them when they were married.(6) But as already stated Roger Erneys, as superior lord, quickly intervened,(7) and in 1379 released to Cecily and her second husband the custody of the heir. At this time Henry was still under age, and the daughter Agnes is not mentioned.
• Except for the dispute with John Ie Norreys, related in a note, Sir Henry's tenure seems to have been undisturbed. By his marriage with Alice Erneys he became lord of the manor.(8) In 1416 he made provision for his son William on his marriage with Elizabeth, daughter of Sir James de Harrington.(9)
• William, son and heir of Sir Henry, succeeded about 1431.(10) A grant of land was made by him in 1433-4, and he occurs in 1453 in a bond for L40 from William Gerard.(11) He had a large family, and was succeeded by his son Thomas, who married a distant cousin Lettice,(12) daughter and heir of Thomas Norris of West Derby ; by her he had six (or seven) sons and five daughters.(13)' He died in 1487-8, seised of a messuage and land in West Derby, of four oxgangs and other land in Formby, also of the manor of Speke and land, meadow, wood, heath, and pasture in Speke, but the jurors at the inquest did not know of whom he held the same. William Norris, his son and heir, was then twenty-eight years of age.(14)
• Sir William Norris, the successor, must therefore have been born about 1459. His knighthood appears to date from 1487, after the battle of Stoke, in which .... etc.
  • (11) Norris D. (M.B.), 611, 615. In 1458 a marriage was arranged between his daughter Elizabeth and Thomas son and heir-apparent of William Gerard of Ince, for which a despensation had been obtained as early as 1449, the parties being related in the third degree; ibid. 643-5.
  • .... etc. ___________________________________
• ACCORDING TO The Victoria history of the county of Lancaster THERE ARE TWO GENERATIONS MISSING BETWEEN ROBERT ERNEYS WHO MARRIED JOANE MOLYNEUX & ALICE ERNEYS WHO MARRIED HENRY NORREYS; ROBERT & JOAN (MOLYNEUX) ERNEYS WERE PARENTS OF RICHARD WHO APPARENTLY WAS HUSBAND OF JOAN LE BLUND, THEY WERE PARENTS OF ROGER ERNEYS FATHER OF ALICE ERNEYS.
• Roger de Ernys1
• M, #435604
• Last Edited=12 Apr 2010
• Roger de Ernys married Joane Molyneux, daughter of Sir William Molyneux.1
• He lived at Chester, Cheshire, England.1
• of Roger de Ernys and Joane Molyneux
  • 1.Alice de Ernys+1
• Citations
• 1.[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2352. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p43561.htm#i435604 ______________________________
• Robert (Roger) Erneys1
• M, #15610
• Robert (Roger) Erneys was born at of Chester, England. He married Joane Molyneux, daughter of John Molyneux.
• Family Joane Molyneux
• Child
  • Alice Erneys+
• Citations
• 1.[S3173] Unknown author, Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 70; Wallop Family, Vol. 4, line 741.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p520.htm#i... _____________________________
• Henry NORREYS
• Born: Speake, Lancaster, England
• Father: John Le NORREYS
• Mother: Cecily MASSEY
• Married: Alice ERNEIS (dau. of Roger Erneis of Chester and Joan Molineux)
• Children:
  • 1. John NORREYS
  • 2. William NORREYS (Sir)
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NORREYS.htm#Henry NORREYS1 ________________________