Robert Banastre, of Walton and Newton

Robert Banastre

• of Walton and Newton
• Born: 1218, Makerfield, Lancashire, England
• Marriage: Clemence de Orreby 713
• Died: Bef 27 Feb 1242, Lancashire, England
• Parents: Thurstan Banastre (d abt 1218) & Cecilia

Robert married Clemence de Orreby, daughter of Sir Phillip de Orreby, Knight. (Clemence de Orreby was born about 1218 in Elford, Staffordshire, England.)

Children include:

1. Sir Robert Banastre, lord of Makerfield (Abt 1242-1289/93) married Alice

Also seen as children:

1. James Banastre‏‎ Died ‎before 1286
2. Robert Banastre‏‎ Born ‎1241 Chester, Cheshire, England, died ‎± 1261 Cuerden, Lancashire‎, approximately 20 years
3. Alesia Banastre‏‎ Born ‎± 1240‎

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Notes

Extracted from The Fee of Makerfield, with an account of some of it’s lords, the Barons of Newton. By William Beamont, Esq. (Read February 22, 1872.) page 97-99. < PDF >

“… We do not know whom Robert married, but we know that he left three sons, Richard, the eldest, who dying without issue before the year 1204, was succeeded by his brother Warin, who married a wife named Sara, and dying without issue was succeeded, in 16 John, (1213,) by Thurstan, his youngest brother, whose wife's name was Cecilia. …”

“… Before the time of Thurstan and Cecilia the great Banastre inheritance had passed for two generations through collaterals. But Thurstan and Cecilia had now two sons, of whom Robert, the eldest, who married Clementia, succeeded to the barony, and Thurstan, who married Maria Vernon, to whom his brother gave lands at Newton in Wirrall, and from whom sprang the Banastres of Bank and Brotherton. This line had for their arms, argent, a cross patonce, sable.

Robert Fitz Thurstan Banastre, being only a year old in 1219, when his father died, his wardship and marriage de- volved upon the king, who sold both for 500 marks, a sum which shews the great value of the property, to Philip de Orreby, justice of Chester, who married him to his daughter Clementia. Henceforward the Banastres bore a coat of gules, three chevronels argent, evidently derived from that of Orreby, with a change of tincture, which was a common practice on the adoption of the arms of an heiress. On their seal they used their old badge of creels or water buckets on either side of the shield-like supporters.

His early death, which might have been hastened by the troubles of those times, happened before the 27th July, 1242.

By his wife, who survived him, he had issue John, who died an infant before 16 Henry III, (1241,) and Robert, who survived him.

It was either by Robert Fitz Thurstan as Baron of Newton, or his son, that Sir John Mansel was presented to the rectory of Wigan.”

References

1. http://cybergata.com/roots/1454.htm cites
   1. The Coucher Book, Or Chatulary of Whalley Abbey, Vol. I, p. 114, “his sons were John Banastre, who died in infancy about 26 Henry III and Robert Bastre.”
   2. Memorials of the Order of the Garter, page 204. < GoogleBooks > “Robert, grandson of the second Robert, was one year old when his father, Thurstan Bastre, died in about 1219. Philip de Orreby, the justiciary of Chester, paid a fine of 500 marks to the king for his wardship and marriage to Phillip's daughter. This Robert also had a son named Robert.”
   3. Ormerod's History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, vol. II, p. 574, Banastre, Lee & Hoghton, of Molynton Pedigree, pp. 574-575, Robert was son and heir to Thurstan Banastre.
   4. Memorials of the Family of Langton of Kilkenny, page 63
   5. Visitation of Lancashire Part II, pages 20-21
   6. Archaeologia Cambrensis, A Record of the Antiquities of Wales and it Marches, and the Journal of the Cambrian Archaelogical Association, Vol. I
2. http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/other/langton/humogen/family/humo_/F7...
3. http://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/library/people/banastre2.htm (This name appears on the Battle Abbey roll)