Rene [l'aîné] Landry

Sources:

• 1671 Acadie Census - shown to be 53 years old which estimates birth c.1618.
• https://it.findagrave.com/memorial/136599877/rene-landry

-https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Landry-19
Son of Unknown Landry and [mother unknown]
Brother of Perrine Landry and Antoinette Landry

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• Not Known son of Claude de Maille de la Tour Landry, (Mi'kmaq Indian) (or source PLZ)
• Not Known BRO of Jean-Claude Landry & Blanche Landry (or source PLZ)
• This is René l'Aîné should not to be confused with René (le cadet / lejeune).
• René l'Aîné is not the son of Jean-Claude and Marie Sallé
• René l'Aîné is not the Father of René (le cadet)
• René l'Aîné is not the Brother of René (le cadet)
  • The son of René l'Aîné, Claude was married to Marguerite Landry only and he died in 1740 (not to be confused with René le cadet son Claude born on the same year but died in 1747 and was married to three women).

Contact the manager for clarification on proper relationships. I'd be happy to help you merge your tree into the proper places.

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9-17-2009 from Mimi ARCALA:

• **Rene (L'aine) born 1618. Rene (LeJeune) born 1634. Many people have these two mixed up or listed as brothers - they're not.

Rene L'aine was married to Perrine BOURG.

Rene LeJeune was married to Marie BERNARD / BENARD / BESNARD.

The family of René l'Aîné LANDRY and Perrine BOURG

[85825] LANDRY, René l'Aîné (Étienne & Catherine GOULET [86204]), ploughman (laboureur), born about 1618 (rec. 1671)

Him : Origin : would be from La Chaussée (860069) (family name found), but that person was not identified there

(Origine : serait de La Chaussée (860069) (nom existe), mais l'individu n'a pas été retracé)

• married about 1645, from Port-Royal (Acadie)

BOURG, Perrine (.. & .. [119880]), born about 1611 (rec. 1671), 1612 (rec. 1686) or 1626 (rec. 1693), died between census 1693 and census 1698 Port-Royal (Acadie)

     1) Marie1, born about 1646/1647 (rec. 1671), 1651 (rec. 1686) or 1646 (rec. 1701), married about 1664 Germain DOUCET, married before census 1698 Étienne COMEAU

2) Marie2, born about 1647/1648 (rec. 1671), 1650 (rec. 1686) or 1649 (rec. 1699), died Port-Royal (bim) (Acadie), married about 1667 Laurent GRANGER
3) Madeleine, born about 1656 (rec. 1671) or 1657 (rec. 1686), married about 1680 René RICHARD dit BEAUPRÉ, married about 1692 Pierre DUPUIS
4) Pierre, born about 1658 (rec. 1671, rec. 1686), married about 1682 Madeleine ROBICHAUD dit CADET
5) Claude, born about 1663 (rec. 1671) or 1662 (rec. 1686), married about 1684 Marguerite THÉRIAULT
Bibliographie : Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes (White); Mémoires (Société généalogique canadienne-française); Dictionnaire des Acadiens d'Archange Godbout; Déclarations de Belle-Île-en-Mer; http://www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/085/085825.php

This is René "l'Aine". See the following links:

http://www.blupete.com/Genealogy/LandryOA.htm

http://www.landrystuff.com/L'aine.htm

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/ACADIAN-CAJUN/2001-03/0984...

The family of Étienne LANDRY and Catherine GOULET

[86204] LANDRY, Étienne (..)

• married before 1611, from Beaumont-en-Véron (Indre-et-Loire : 370022), France

GOULET, Catherine (..)

     1) Perrine, born about 1611 (rec. 1671), married about 1635 Jacques JOFFRIAU

2) Antoinette, born about 1618 (rec. 1671), 1606 (rec. 1686) or 1617 (rec. 1693), died between census 1693 and census 1698, married about 1642 Antoine BOURG
3) René l'Aîné, ploughman (laboureur), born about 1618 (rec. 1671), married about 1645 Perrine BOURG
Him : Origin : would be from La Chaussée (860069) (family name found), but that person was not identified there

(Origine : serait de La Chaussée (860069) (nom existe), mais l'individu n'a pas été retracé)

Bibliographie : Origine des émigrants du département d'Indre-et-Loire; Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes (White); Dictionnaire des Acadiens d'Archange Godbout; http://www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html; Mémoires (Société généalogique canadienne-française)

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/086/086204.php

1. Quoting Father Archangel Godbout, Arsenault, ref.: 2.2.612 says Rene, "has come to France with his wife." et en réf.: 2.2.624, la mère de René Landry serait Marie Salé .... and ref.: 2.2.624, the mother of René Landry Marie Salé was .... veuve de Jean Claude. widow of Jean Claude. Ceci est erroné. This is wrong. Voir les notes ci-bas. See notes below.
2. Il ya peu d'information certaine concernant les premier colons acadiens. There is little information on some first Acadian settlers. Dans le cas des Landry, il y eu en plus deux colons du prénom de René. For Landry, there were also two of the first settlers of Rene. Le premier dit René l'aîné (#3) épouse Perrine Bourg. The first said the elder René (# 3) married Perrine Bourg. Le deuxième René le Cadet (#5) épouse Marie Bernard. The second Rene Cadet (# 5) wife Mary Bernard.

Le plus ancien document disponible, le recensement de 1671 (réf.: 12) indique la présence de René l'aîné, mais aucune mention de René le Cadet . The oldest document available, the census of 1671 (ref. 12) indicates the presence of the elder René, but no mention of Rene Cadet. Les deux seront présents cependant sur le recensement de 1678. Both will be present, however, the census of 1678. (Arsenault, réf.: 2.2 page 623). (Arsenault, ref.: 2.2 page 623). Au recensement de 1671, il ya également Antoinette Landry (#7) et Perrine Landry (#5935). In the census of 1671, there also Antoinette Landry (# 7) and Perrine Landry (# 5935).

Dans réf.: 12, Les parlers français d'Acadie de Geneviève Massignon 1962, souligne la grande possibilité que beaucoup d'Acadiens venus de France proviennent de la région de Loudun en France. In ref.: 12, The dialects of French Acadia Genevieve Massignon 1962, underlines the great possibility that many Acadians from France from the region of Loudun in France. Les Landry entre autres de La Chaussé près de Loudun. The Landry among others of the pavement near Loudun. Ainsi, elle indique, page 45, note (4) "Le nom de «René Landry» apparaît en 1638 dans le Reg. par. de La Chaussée (Vienne), comme parrain d'un Girouard." Thus, it states on page 45, note (4) "The name of the" Rene Landry appears in 1638 in Reg. By. La Chaussée (Vienna), as sponsor of Girouard. "

Arsenault, dans réf.: 2.2 page 612, citant Geneviève Massignon vol. Arsenault, in ref.: 2.2 page 612, quoting Genevieve Massignon vol. 1 p. 1 p. 54, (probablement page 45, voir ci-haut), il indique René l'aîné, originaire de La Chaussée. 54 (probably top 45, see above), it indicates the elder René, from The Causeway.

Dans Arsenault, réf.: 2.2 page 624, citant un manuscrit du père Archange Godbout, Dictionnaire des Acadiens, on indique que la mère de René le Cadet est Marie Salé. In Arsenault, ref.: 2.2 page 624, citing a manuscript of Father Archangel Godbout, Dictionary of the Acadians, it indicates that the mother of Rene Cadet Marie Salé. Or dans le Recensement de 1671, il ya une Marie Salé veuve de Jean Claude. But in the Census 1671, there is a Marie Salé widow of Jean Claude. Certains ont complétés le nom pour lire Jean-Claude Landry! Some have completed the name to read Jean-Claude Landry! Voir la fiche de Marie Sallé (#2925). See more details about Marie Sallé (# 2925).

On indique aussi (2.2 page 612) que Perrine Bourg, épouse de René l'aîné est la soeur de Antoine Bourg, époux d'Antoinette Landry. It also indicates (2.2 page 612) that Perrine Bourg, wife of Rene is the elder sister of Antoine Bourg, husband of Antoinette Landry. Stephen White démontre au contraire qu'ils ne sont pas frère et soeur. Stephen White shows the contrary they are not brother and sister. Je retiens cette dernière information. I retain the latter information.

On en a déduit que Antoinette était la soeur de René l'aîné et probablement Perrine également. We concluded that Antoinette was the sister of the elder René and Perrine also likely. (White) (White)

En résumé, Il est possible que René l'aîné (#3) et/ou René le Cadet (#5) soient originaire de La Chaussée près de Loudun, département de Vienne en France. In summary, it is possible that the elder René (# 3) and / or Rene Cadet (# 5) are from La Chaussée near Loudun, Vienne department of France. Mais rien ne le prouve encore. But there is no proof yet. Ainsi Robert Larin (#489 page 302), concernant l'origine des Acadiens indique "À mon avis, cette possibilité demeure très vraisemblable quoique très hypothétique. En réalité, nous ne savons rien de l'origine de la population acadienne de 1671...". Thus Robert Larin (# 489 page 302) concerning the origin of the Acadians says "In my opinion, this possibility remains highly unlikely though very hypothetical. In reality, we know nothing of the origin of the Acadian population of 1671 .. ..

En conclusion, René l'aîné, Antoinette et Perrine sont frère et soeurs. In conclusion, the elder René Antoinette and Perrine are brother and sisters. Ils ne sont pas parents au 2ième degré avec René le cadet. They are not related to 2nd degree with Rene younger. On ne sait pas de quel endroit de France ils viennent. We do not know where in France they come. Le deuxième époux de Marie Sallé est Jean Claude et on ne sait pas s'il est amérindien ou français. The second husband of Marie Sallé is Jean Claude and we do not know if Native American or French.

1. White, SA Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes, Moncton, NB, 1999. White, SA Genealogical Dictionary of Acadian families, Moncton, NB, 1999.

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Notes de SA White Notes SA White

i. i. La dispense du quatrième degré de consanguinité accordée lors du mariage de Charles Belliveau, arrière-petit-fils d'Antoine Bourg et d'Antoinette Landry, avec Marguerite Granger, arrière-petite-fille de René Landry l'aîné et de Perrine Bourg (Rg GP 3 nov 1717), nous montre qu'Antoinette et René étaient frère et soeur, vu que l'absence des dispenses lors des mariages des arrière-petits-enfants de Simon Pelletret et de Perrine Bourg avec ceux d'Antoine Bourg et d'Antoinette Landry élimine la possibilité qu'Antoine Bourg et Perrine Bourg soient frère et soeur. The waiver of the fourth degree of consanguinity given during the marriage of Charles Belliveau, great-grand-son of Antoine Bourg and Antoinette Landry, Marguerite Granger, great-granddaughter of the elder René Landry and Perrine Bourg ( Rg GP November 3, 1717), shows René and Antoinette were brother and sister, as the lack of exemptions in the marriage of great-grand-children of Simon Pelletret and Perrine Bourg with those of Antoine Bourg and d 'Antoinette Landry eliminates the possibility that Antoine Bourg and Perrine Bourg are brother and sister. Voir famille Bourg (entre nos 1 et 2) note de SA White à propos d'Antoine Bourg et de Perrine Bourg. See Family Village (between 1 and 2) of SA White notes about Antoine Bourg and Perrine Bourg.

Concordance : #3 : René Landry l'aîné, #4 : Perrine Bourg, #8 : Antoine Bourg, #7 : Antoinette Landry. Concordance: # 3: the elder René Landry, # 4: Perrine Bourg, # 8: Antoine Bourg, # 7: Antoinette Landry.

ii. ii. L'absence des dispenses de parenté lors des mariages de Jean Daigre, arrière-petit-fils d'Antoinette Landry, avec Madeleine Landry, fille de Claude à René Landry le jeune (Rg GP 6 nov 1721), de François Landry, fils de Pierre à René Landry le jeune, avec Dorothée Bourg, arrière-petite-fille d'Antoinette Landry (Rg GP 21 nov 1731) et de Joseph Landry, fils d'Antoine à René Landry le jeune, avec Marie-Josèphe Bourg, soeur de Dorothée ci-dessus (Rg GP 11 janv 1745), signifie que René Landry le jeune n'était ni le frère, ni le neveu d'Antoinette. The absence of waivers relatives at weddings of John Daigre, great-grand-son of Antoinette Landry with Madeleine Landry, daughter of Claude Rene Landry Young (R GP November 6, 1721), François Landry, son of Pierre Rene Landry young, Dorothee Bourg, great-granddaughter of Antoinette Landry (Rg GP November 21, 1731) and Joseph Landry, son of Antoine Rene Landry young, with Marie-Josephe Bourg, sister Dorothea above (Rg GP 11 Jan 1745), means that the younger René Landry was not a brother or nephew of Antoinette.

Concordance : #5 : René Landry le jeune, #7 : Antoinette Landry. Concordance: # 5: Rene Landry Young, # 7: Antoinette Landry. [ 6 ] [6]

1. White, SA Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes, Moncton, NB, 1999. White, SA Genealogical Dictionary of Acadian families, Moncton, NB, 1999.

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Note de SA White Note SA White

Après une étude des dispenses accordées aux mariages des descendants des Landry, il apparaît que les deux premiers René Landry en Acadie ne puissent être d'une parenté plus proche que du deuxième au troisième degré. After a review of exemptions granted to the descendants of marriages Landry, it appears that the first two Rene Landry Acadia may not be of kinship closer than second to third degree. Cf, par exemple, l'absence des dispenses lors des mariages de Germain Dupuis, fils de Marie à René Landry le jeune, avec Marie Granger, petite-fille de Marie à René Landry l'aîné (Rg GP 3 nov 1717) et de Charles Lanoue, petit-fils de Marie à René Landry l'aîné, avec Marie-Josèphe Landry, fille de Charles à René Landry le jeune (Rg GP 12 juin 1729). See, for example, the lack of exemptions at weddings Germain Dupuis, son of Mary to the young Rene Landry, with Mary Granger, granddaughter of Mary the elder René Landry (Rg GP November 3, 1717) and Charles Lanoue, little son of Mary the elder René Landry, Marie-Josephe Landry, daughter of Charles Rene Landry Young (R GP June 12, 1729).

Concordance : #3 : René Landry l'aîné, #5 : René Landry le jeune. Concordance: # 3: the elder René Landry, # 5: Rene Landry young. [ 6 ] [6]

1. Message 18 October 2007 on Acadian Roots Club Dr. Donald Landry Message 18 October 2007 on Acadian Roots Club Dr. Donald Landry

   For many of us researching the Landry family, "Jean-Claude Landry" is the focal point of much debate!  He represents our connection between the Old World and the New World.  Wishful thinking has many people believing accounts that he is that connection while others insist on verification before accepting that claim.  The uncertainty is increased due to the lost of some Acadian church records kept back in the 1600's which were destroyed during a fire in the early 1700's.  Mention has been given to this topic in one of our other sections, but we feel that the subject is important enough to merit its' own section!

A recent newspaper article published in certain areas of Louisiana and Canada made reference to the fact that Jean-Claude Landry was indeed the progenitor of this particular line of Landrys. Dr. Don Landry of Metaire, Louisiana, Historian for the Landry Family Association, has written the following rebuttal to these articles in the hope of answering the question.....myth or progenitor?
REBUTTAL OF THE JEAN-CLAUDE LANDRY MYTH AND THE SUPPOSED ORIGIN OF LANDRY FAMILY

   Sometime during February and March, 1998, a two part series on the Landry Family appeared in the Lafayette, Louisiana "Daily Advertiser" and again on Sunday March 16th and Sunday March 23rd the same, or similar article appeared in Damon Veach's column, "Louisiana Ancestors" which is a more widely spread genealogy column, and is published in the editions of the New Orleans TimePicayune, Baton Rouge Morning Advocate, the Lafayette and possibly the Lake Charles,Alexandria and Shreveport newspapers. According to the articles, the information on the genealogy and origin of the Landry Family of Acadia was received from a Paul Surrette, historian and genealogist from Moncton, New Brunswick; Brian Comeaux, of the committee for the Congres Mondial Acadiennes-Louisiana, 1999 and Ray Landry, a member of the Landry Family Association. Unfortunately the articles appear to be merely a paraphrasing of Father Léopold Lanctôt, o.m.i.'s account of the "The Landrys in Acadia" in tomes I et II, Éditions du Libre-Échange ISBN 2-89412-003-6 and L'Acadie des origines Léopold Lanctôt, o.m.i. Éditions du Fleuve, Montréal, 1988, which unfortunately are filled with errors, presented as documented facts.

For the past 8 to10 years, since I have been doing genealogical research into the Landry family, I have run across researchers and documents written by researchers that hold to the theory that the parents of René Landry, le Jeune married to Marie Bernard was Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé.
On more that one occasions noted genealogists, including Stephen A. White, genealogist and historian at the University of Moncton's Centre d'Etudes Acadiennes in Moncton New Brunswick and Father Clarence J. d'Entremont, Middle West Pubnico - Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia, have more than adequately rebutted this theory. They and the others theorize that this error was caused by the early censuses of Acadia, which enumerated Marie Salé as the "widow of Jean Claude" in the cenuses of 1671 and 1678, and then in the 1686 census, no mention was made of her deceased husband Jehan Claude, Marie Salé was enumerated as 86 years old and living between René Landry, le Jeunne and René Landry's oldest son Antoine Landry. This caused noted genealogist, Archange Godbout, to leap to the conclusion, that since Marie Salé was living in close proximity to René Landry, le Jeune, then she was the mother of René Landry, le Jeune. And still a greater leap was made to conclude that if Marie Salé was the widow of Jean Claude, then Jean Claude was the father of René Landry, le jeune and Jean Claude, in fact was actually Jean-Claude Landry, father of René Landry, le jeunne. I am sure that most researchers understand the importance of having all of the information documented, and I am sure that they assume that, since the information they received was from credible sources, that it was documented and factual genealogical and historical data. What I am afraid of is that since this error was so widely published throughout Louisiana, especially in south Louisiana, where the majority of the Louisiana Acadian population resides, these errors will be perpetuated for a long time to come. And just as the errors of Fathers Archange Godbout, Leopold Lanctot and Adrien Bergeron, Bona Arsenault and countless others, have been believed to be documented facts, these errors will also be believed to be the documented facts, just because they were printed in a reputable column.
Probably prompted by the above census entry, the writings of Adrien Bergeron in his "Le Grand Arrangement des Acadiens au Quebec" vol IV p.283, says that Marie Salé is married to Jean-Claude Landry and had two sons René Landry, the elder and René Landry, the younger. And in a more elaborate extension of this error, Leopold Lanctot, o.m.i., in his publication "Familles Acadiennes", makes the following suggestions as to the beginnings of the Landrys in the New World, when he states on page 7: "It all began in the year 1640 or 1641 when a group of 10 from the Landry family came to Port Royal, Acadia from France. The Landry family was originally from La Ventrouze, near Mortagne-au-Perche. Department of Orne, France. They were encouraged to come to Acadia by Marguerite Landry, daughter of Jean-Claude Landry and Marguerite's husband Robert Martin, who had been in Acadia for several years. The group of 10 consisted of Jean-Claude Landry and his second wife, Marie Salée (40 years) with their son René Landry, dit le jeune (6 ans) and three children of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage: twins, René Landry dit l' aisne (22 years) and Antoinette Landry (22 years), Perrine Landry (29 years) with her husband Jacques Joffriau. Also in the group were three of Marie Salée's children from her first marriage to Martin Aucoin. These children were: Michelle Aucoin (22 years), Francois Aucoin (18 years) and Jeanne Aucoin (8 years). The group probably settled near the Saint-John River in the Cape Sable area. They later moved to Port Royal. Please note that there were two named René in this group, René Landry, the elder (son of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage) and René Landry, the younger (son of Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé). René, the elder married Perrine Bourg, widow of Simon Pelletret, in 1645. Perrine had 2 children from her first marriage: Henriette Pelletret (4 years)and Jeanne Pelletret (2 years). "On page 9 Leopold Lanctot, in discussing the 1686 census, mentions" "Marie Salé age 61 ans, widow of Jean Claude" but he adds the surname LANDRY in parentheses "(Landry)". He like all the others before him, suggests, on page 11, that René Landry, l'aine and René Landry, le jeune are half brothers, and again adds, in parentheses, "(le jeune, demi-frere de René Landry, l'ainse)" behind René Landry, the younger's name. And again adding, in parentheses "(mere de René Landry, le jeune)" behind Marie Salé's name. Leopold Lanctot suggests, on page 15, in a chapter on René Landry, dit le jeune, and Marie Bernard, again suggests that René Landry, le jeune is the son of "Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé" but notice that the hyphen between Jean and Claude has been added and the surname Landry is not placed in parentheses. The placing of the earlier assumptions such as the surname Landry and Marie Salé being the mother of René in parentheses, which were later presented with out the parentheses, and the addition of a hyphen between Jean Claude's name, show the gradual progression of these errors into what is now believed by many to be documented facts. These errors are also found on pp 623-624 of "Histoire et Genealogie des Acadians" by Bona Arsenault, where Arsenault states:- "Jean-Claude Landry bn. 1593 and Marie Salé bn. 1600 daughter of Jean Denys Salé and Francoise Arnaud, were married in Department of Orne in France, in 1633. This was the second marriage for both. One child was born from this marriage, Rene, born 1643. Jean Claude died in 1671 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, France. The name of Marie Salé, age 86, appears in the 1686 Census of Acadia, living with her son René"
However, throughout this time, Professor Stephen A. White, historian and genealogist with the Centre d'etudes Acadiennes at the University of Moncton in Moncton, New Brunswick, and his fellow historian, genealogist and author, Father Clarence d'Entremont from Middle West Pubnico, Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia have steadfastedly held that the theory that René Landry's parents were Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé, was false. As Father Clarence d'Entremont states in a letter of November 23rd: "NOWHERE in any census or other documents is to be found an Acadian by the name of Jean-Claude Landry. So, who was the father and mother of René Landry? I do not know, nor does anybody know.... Thus the descendants of René Landry, in my humble opinion, cannot go further up in their Landry genealogy, as we do not know who the parents of René Landry le Jeunne were, nor where in France he was born".
"Jean-Claude Landry is effectively fictitious. There is no record showing that such a person ever existed. The husband of Marle Sallé is simply called Jean (or Jehan) Claude in the censuses of 1671 and 1678. According to archives, Marie Salé was married to Jean Claude; if she is to be called the mother of René Landry, necessarily we have to give her husband a name of Jean Claude LANDRY. But, I repeat, the name Jean Claude Landry is not to be found anywhere in the history of Acadia at the time; plus that the husband of Marie Salé was Jean Claude, PERIOD. He was a Micmac Indian. The Indians with the name Claude used to be quite numerous in Nova Scotia, The name became Glaude; in my young days I knew a number of them, who would write their name Glode (In French "au" is pronounced "o"). . His name occurs twice in the Port Royal Church Registers, ALWAYS as Jehan Clause, NEVER given as family name "Landry". As a matter of fact, if Clause had not been his family name, it would mean that the register gives him his first and SECOND name. Moreover, the registers of Port Royal ALWAYS give the WHOLE name of persons; but the fact is that Jehan Clause has his name given thus, NEVER with another name added to those two. If the family name had been omitted in the registers, it would be the only time that such a thing occured in any register. Thus CLAUDE was the family name."
An enthusiastic and overly imaginative researcher added Landry to this individual's name in an effort to explain why Marie Sallé resided between the younger René Landry and his son Antoine Landry in 1686. He supposed that this was the same Marie Sallé who married Martin Aucoin at La Rochelle in 1632, which does seem quite possible, and through that marriage she was related to Michelle Aucoin, with whose daughter she resided in 1671 and 1678, which is also possible. But the only way this researcher could connect Marie Sallé with the younger Rene Landry was in guessing that her Jean Claude was really a Landry and further that he must have been the younger René's father. This is merely wishful thinking. The other difficulty with the younger René Landry concerns his absence from the 1671 census. Some researchers have thought that this signified that he had not yet immigrated to Acadia by that time, but it can be shown that the 1671 census is incomplete, and thus the omission of anyone from it does not prove that that person only arrived in Acadia after that date. Indeed the records of the LeBorgne family in series E of the Archives des colonies (dossier E 277) mention transactions involving the younger René Landry's wife's brother-in-law, Guyon Chaisson, between 1668 and 1674, so we know for certain that the Chiassons were at "Mouchecoudabouet" during those years. It is my opinion quite likely that the younger René Landry and his family lived in close proximity with the Chiassons in "Mouchecoudabouet", around that time. As Bona Arsenault has indicated, for the elder René Landry to have been called "l'Aine" in the 1671 census presupposes that another René Landry must have lived somewhere in Acadia at the same time. As Father Archange Godbout mentions in his Dictionaire des Acadiens, the younger René "came from France with his wife". This quotation is lifted from several of the depositions of the Acadians at Belle-Ile-en-Mer. As Father Godbout pointed out in the Memoires de la Societé généalogie canadienne- française (vol. V. p. 5), this expression on those depositions means simply that both the husband and wife were born in France, but does not necessarily mean that they came to Acadia together, much less already married to one another. So all we can say is that René Landry was born in France about 1634. We do not know whether he came to Acadia alone or with other relatives. As I have explained above, however, we do know that he was not nearly related to any of the other Landrys in Acadia."
It is further stated by both Father d'Entremont and Professor White that it is very doubtful that two different census takers at two different times would have omitted the last name Landry when referring to the deceased husband of Marie Salé and if the family name had been omitted in the church and other public registers, it would be the only time that such a thing occured in any register. Therefore they both conclude that the addition of the surname Landry to Jean Claude is an error.
In a letter witten in early 1998, Stephen A. White, Genealogist, Centre d'etudes Acadiennes writes: "What can I tell you about "Jean-Claude Landry" that I have not already said? Not much, I can assure you. No one has brought forward any new information to show that two different census takers, at two separate times, both forgot to put the name Landry in the entries pertaining to the widow Marie Sale. No one has discovered a cache of passenger lists for any of the vessels mentioned by Father Lanctot to show, as he maintains, that "Jean-Claude Landry" arrived in Acadia on a certain date, at the head of a group of a specific number of family members, In these circumstances, serious researchers must agree that nothing supports the contention that there ever was a "Jean-Claude Landry" in early Acadia." "No one really knows how the Landrys came to Acadia, how many of them came together, if indeed they did come in a group, or if and how they were related, beyond the simple fact that Rene Landry l'aine and Antoinette Landry were brother and sister. We certainly have no documentation to show that Rene and Antoinette were twins! Even though Rene and Antoinette are said to have both been fifty-three years old in the 1671 census, no experienced genealogist would read that as meaning that they necessarily born at the same time, because such records are rarely strictly accurate. After all, fifteen years later, in 1686. Antoinette is said to have been eighty! And by 1693 she had regressed to seventy-six. Such records are merely guides; they do not admit strict interpretation. To go further, without additional proofs, is to indulge in the creation of romantic fiction". "It is most regrettable that Father Lanctot chose to present his account of the history of our early Acadian families as though all of his points were based on documented facts. And it is reprehensible that a publisher saw fit to distribute such an admixture of truth and fantasy, as though it were serious history. The result is particularly invidious insofar as those people who have little or no means to consult the original records are concerned. They are left to suppose that Lanctot's work is a reliable piece of research, where as it is in fact treacherously misleading, because there are some extremely good information mixed in with the bad."
Stephen A. White writes: "Regarding the origin and parents of René Landry, le Jeunne there is probably no other Acadian family about whose background there has been so much speculation and wishful thinking. The result is that what we actually know about the Landry families who immigrated from France to Acadia, has come to be regrettably enshrouded in a dense fog of error and confusion."
Dr. Donald Landry Dr. Donald Landry

Metaire, Louisiana [ 7 ] Metairie, Louisiana

Rene LeJeune was married to Marie BERNARD / BENARD / BESNARD.

The family of René le jeune LANDRY and Marie BERNARD

[10514] LANDRY, René le jeune (..), born about 1634 (rec. 1686) La Chaussée (Vienne : 860069), France, died Port-Royal (bim) (Acadie)

• married about 1659, from .. (France)

BERNARD, Marie (.. & Andrée GUYON [84214]), born about 1645 (rec. 1686, rec. 1693) or 1644 (rec. 1699), buried 1719-01-11 Port-Royal (Acadie)

1) Abraham, married prob. Port-Royal (Acadie) 1701 Marie GUILBAULT

2) Anne, married about 1700 René BLANCHARD

3) Antoine, married about 1681 Marie THIBODEAU

4) Catherine, married after census 1700 Jacques LEBLANC

5) Cécile, married about 1685 Pierre THÉRIAULT, married Grand-Pré (Saint-Charles-des-Mines) (Acadie) 1725-08-12 Étienne RACOIS dit DEROSIER

6) Charles, married Port-Royal (Acadie) 1708-10-29 Catherine BROUSSARD

7) Claude, married about 1684 Marie Catherine THIBODEAU, married about 1725 Marie BABIN, married Grand-Pré (Saint-Charles-des-Mines) (Acadie) 1741-05-15 Jeanne CÉLESTIN dit BELLEMÈRE

8) Germain, married about 1694 Marie MELANÇON

9) Jean, married about 1687 Cécile MELANÇON

10) Jeanne, married about 1692 Jean THÉRIAULT

11) Marguerite, married about 1686 Pierre RICHARD

12) Marie, married about 1686 Martin DUPUIS

13) Pierre, married Port-Royal (Acadie) 1704-01-07 Madeleine BROUSSARD

14) René, married about 1691 Anne THÉRIAULT

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/010/010514.php

This is René "le Jeune". See the following links:

http://www.blupete.com/Genealogy/LandryOA.htm

http://www.landrystuff.com/Le'jeune.htm

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/ACADIAN-CAJUN/2001-03/0984...

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There is little information on some first Acadian settlers. For Landry, there were also two of the first settlers of Rene. The first said the elder René (# 3) married Perrine Bourg. The second Rene Cadet (# 5) wife Mary Bernard.

The oldest document available, the census of 1671 (ref. 12) indicates the presence of the elder René, but no mention of Rene Cadet. Both will be present, however, the census of 1678. (Arsenault, ref.: 2.2 page 623). In the census of 1671, there also Antoinette Landry (# 7) and Perrine Landry (# 5935).

In ref.: 12, The dialects of French Acadia Genevieve Massignon 1962, underlines the great possibility that many Acadians came to France from the region of Loudun in France. The Landry among others of the pavement near Loudun. Thus, it states on page 45, note (4) "The name of the" Rene Landry appears in 1638 in Reg. By. La Chaussée (Vienna), as sponsor of Girouard. "

Arsenault, in ref.: 2.2 page 612, quoting Genevieve Massignon vol. 1 p. 54 (probably top 45, see above), it indicates the elder René, from The Causeway.

In Arsenault, ref.: 2.2 page 624, citing a manuscript of Father Archangel Godbout, Dictionary of the Acadians, it indicates that the mother of Rene Cadet Marie Salé. But in the Census 1671, there is a Marie Salé widow of Jean Claude. Some have completed the name to read Jean-Claude Landry! See more details about Marie Sallé (# 2925).

It also indicates (2.2 page 612) that Perrine Bourg, wife of Rene is the elder sister of Antoine Bourg, husband of Antoinette Landry. Stephen White shows the contrary they are not brother and sister. I retain the latter information.

We concluded that Antoinette was the sister of the elder René and Perrine also likely. (White)

In summary, it is possible that the elder René (# 3) and / or Rene Cadet (# 5) are from La Chaussée near Loudun, Vienne department in France. But there is no proof yet. Thus Robert Larin (# 489 page 302) concerning the origin of the Acadians says "In my opinion, this possibility remains highly unlikely though very hypothetical. In reality, we know nothing of the origin of the Acadian population of 1671 .. ..

In conclusion, the elder René Antoinette and Perrine are brother and sisters. They are not related to 2nd degree with Rene younger. We do not know where in France they come. The second husband of Marie Sallé is Jean Claude and we do not know if Native American or French.

1. White, SA Genealogical Dictionary of Acadian families, Moncton, NB, 1999.

Page 915

Notes S. A. White

i. The waiver of the fourth degree of consanguinity given during the marriage of Charles Belliveau, great-grand-son of Antoine Bourg and Antoinette Landry, Marguerite Granger, great-granddaughter of the elder René Landry and Perrine Bourg ( Rg GP November 3, 1717), shows René and Antoinette were brother and sister, as the lack of exemptions in the marriage of great-grand-children of Simon Pelletret and Perrine Bourg with those of Antoine Bourg and d 'Antoinette Landry eliminates the possibility that Antoine Bourg and Perrine Bourg are brother and sister. See Family Village (between 1 and 2) of SA White notes about Antoine Bourg and Perrine Bourg.

Concordance: # 3: the elder René Landry, # 4: Perrine Bourg, # 8: Antoine Bourg, # 7: Antoinette Landry.

ii. The absence of waivers relatives at weddings of John Daigre, great-grand-son of Antoinette Landry with Madeleine Landry, daughter of Claude Rene Landry Young (R GP November 6, 1721), François Landry, son of Pierre Rene Landry young, Dorothee Bourg, great-granddaughter of Antoinette Landry (Rg GP November 21, 1731) and Joseph Landry, son of Antoine Rene Landry young, with Marie-Josephe Bourg, sister Dorothea above (Rg GP 11 Jan 1745), means that the younger René Landry was not a brother or nephew of Antoinette.

Concordance: # 5: Rene Landry Young, # 7: Antoinette Landry. [8]

1. White, SA Genealogical Dictionary of Acadian families, Moncton, NB, 1999.

page 916

Note S. A. White

After a review of exemptions granted to the descendants of marriages Landry, it appears that the first two Rene Landry Acadia may not be of kinship closer than second to third degree. See, for example, the lack of exemptions at weddings Germain Dupuis, son of Mary to the young Rene Landry, with Mary Granger, granddaughter of Mary the elder René Landry (Rg GP November 3, 1717) and Charles Lanoue, little son of Mary the elder René Landry, Marie-Josephe Landry, daughter of Charles Rene Landry Young (R GP June 12, 1729).

Concordance: # 3: the elder René Landry, # 5: Rene Landry young. [8]

Message # 18 October 2007 on Acadian Roots Club Dr. Donald Landry

For many of us researching the Landry family, "Jean-Claude Landry" is the focal point of much debate! He represents our connection between the Old World and the New World. Wishful thinking has many people believing that he is accounts that connection while others insist on verification before accepting that claim. The uncertainty is increased due to the lost of some Acadian church records kept back in the 1600's Which were destroyed during a fire in the early 1700's. Mention has been given to this topic in one of our other sections, but we feel that the subject is important enough to merit its' own section!

A recent newspaper article published in certain areas of Louisiana and Canada made reference to the fact that Jean-Claude Landry was indeed the progenitor of this particular line of Landry. Dr. Don Landry of Metairie, Louisiana, Historian for the Landry Family Association, has written the following rebuttal to these articles in the hope of answering the question ..... myth or progenitor?

REBUTTAL OF THE JEAN-CLAUDE LANDRY Supposed MYTH AND THE ORIGIN OF LANDRY FAMILY

Sometime during February and March, 1998, a two part series on the Landry Family Appeared in the Lafayette, Louisiana Daily Advertiser "and again on Sunday March 16th and Sunday March 23rd the same, or similar article Appeared in Damon Veach's column," Louisiana Ancestors "which is a more widely spread genealogy column, and is published in the editions of the TimePicayune New Orleans, Baton Rouge Morning Advocate, the Lafayette and possibly the Lake Charles, Alexandria and Shreveport newspapers. According to the articles, the information on the genealogy and origin of the Landry Family of Acadia was received from a Paul Surrette, historian and genealogist from Moncton, New Brunswick, Brian Comeaux, of the committee for the Congres Mondial Acadian-Louisiana, 1999 and Ray Landry, a member of the Landry Family Association. Unfortunately the articles appear to be Merely a paraphrasing of Father Léopold Lanctôt, omi's account of the "The Landry in Acadia" in Volumes I and II, Publishing Free Trade ISBN 2-89412-003-6 and Acadia of origins Leopold Lanctot, omi Oxford University Press, Montreal, 1988, Which unfortunately are filled with errors, documented facts as presented.

For the past 8 to10 years, since I have been doing genealogical research into the Landry family, I have run across researchers and papers written by researchers that hold to the theory that the parents of René Landry, le Jeune married to Mary was Jean-Bernard Claude Landry and Marie Salé.

On more that one occasion Noted genealogists, including Stephen A. White, genealogist and historian at the University of Moncton's Acadian Center for Studies in Moncton, New Brunswick and Father Clarence J. d'Entremont, Middle West Pubnico - Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia, have more than Adequately Rebutted this theory. They and the others theorization that this error was caused by the early censuses of Acadia, Marie Salé Which enumerated as the "widow of Jean Claude" in the CENUSA of 1671 and 1678, and then in the 1686 census, no mention was made of her deceased husband Jehan Claude Marie Salé was enumerated as 86 years old and living between René Landry, the Jeunne and René Landry's oldest sound Antoine Landry. This caused Noted genealogist, Archangel Godbout, to leap to the conclusion that since Marie Salé was living in close proximity to René Landry, the younger, then she was the mother of René Landry, le Jeune. And Still a great leap was made to conclude that if Marie Salé was the widow of Jean Claude, Jean Claude was then the father of René Landry, the young and Jean Claude, in fact was actually Jean-Claude Landry, father of René Landry the jeunne. I am sure that most researchers understand the importance of having all of the information documented, and I am sure that they assume that, since the information they received was from credible sources, that it was documented and factual genealogical and historical data. What I am afraid of is that since this error was so widely published throughout Louisiana, especially in south Louisiana, where the Majority of the Louisiana Acadian population resides, these errors will be Perpetuated for a long time to come. And just as the errors of Fathers Archangel Godbout, Leopold Lanctot and Adrien Bergeron, Bona Arsenault and countless others, have been Believed to be documented facts, these errors will also be Believed to be the documented facts, just because they were printed in a reputable column.

Probably prompted by the above census entry, the writings of Adrien Bergeron in his "Le Grand Arrangement des Acadiens au Quebec" Vol IV p.283, says that Marie Salé is married to Jean-Claude Landry and had two sons René Landry, the elder and René Landry, the younger. And in a more elaborate extension of this error, Leopold Lanctot, omi, in his publication "Families Acadian", makes the following suggestions as to the beginnings of the Landry in the New World, when he states on page 7: "It all began in the year 1640 or 1641 when a group of 10 from the Landry family came to Port Royal, Acadia from France. The Landry family was originally from The Ventrouze, near Mortagne au Perche. Department of Orne, France. They were Encouraged to come to Acadia by Marguerite Landry, daughter of Jean-Claude Landry and Margaret's husband Robert Martin, who had been in Acadia for several years. The group of 10 consisted of Jean-Claude Landry and his second wife, Mary Salt (40 years) with their son Rene Landry said the young (6 years) and three children of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage: twins, Rene Landry said the Aisne (22 years) and Antoinette Landry (22 years), Perrine Landry (29 years ) with her husband Jacques Joffriau. Also in the group were three of Salt Marie's children from her first marriage to Martin Aucoin. These children were: Michelle Aucoin (22 years), Francois Aucoin (18 years) and Jeanne Aucoin (8 years). The group probably settled near the St. John River in the Cape Sable area. They later moved to Port Royal. Please note that there were two named Rene in this group, René Landry, the elder (son of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage) and René Landry, the younger (son of Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé). Rene, the elder married Perrine Bourg, widow of Simon Pelletret, in 1645. Perrine had 2 children from her first marriage: Henrietta Pelletret (4 years ) and Jeanne Pelletret (2 years). "On page 9 Leopold Lanctot, in discussing the 1686 census, the terms" Marie Salé age 61, widow of Jean Claude "but he adds the surname LANDRY in parentheses" (Landry). He like all the others before him, suggests, on page 11, that René Landry, groin and René Landry, the young are half brothers, and again adds, in parentheses, "(the younger half-brother of René Landry the way) "behind René Landry, the younger's name. And again adding, in parentheses" (mother of René Landry, the younger) "behind Salé Marie's name. Leopold Lanctot suggests, on page 15, in a chapter on René Landry said the young, and Marie Bernard, again suggests that René Landry, the younger is the son of "Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé" but notice that the hyphen between Jean and Claude has been added and the surname Landry is not Placed in parentheses . The placing of the earlier assumptions such as the surname Landry and Marie Salé being the mother of René in parentheses, Which were later presented with out the parentheses, and the addition of a hyphen between Jean Claude's name, show the gradual increase of these errors into what is now Believed by many to be documented facts. These errors are also found on pp 623-624 of "History and Genealogy of the Acadians" by Bona Arsenault, Arsenault where states: - "Jean-Claude Landry bn. 1593 and Marie Salé bn. 1600 daughter of Jean Denys Salt and Francoise Arnaud, were married in Department of Orne in France, in 1633. This was the second marriage for both. One child was born from this marriage, Rene, born 1643. Jean Claude died in 1671 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, France. The name of Marie Salé, age 86, appears in the 1686 Census of Acadia, living with her son Rene "

However, throughout this time, Professor Stephen A. White, historian and genealogist with the Center for Acadian Studies at the University of Moncton in Moncton, New Brunswick, and his fellow historian, genealogist and author, Father Clarence d'Entremont from Middle West Pubnico, Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia have steadfastedly held that the theory that René Landry's parents were Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé was false. As Father Clarence d'Entremont states in a letter of November 23rd: "Nowhere in any census or other documents is found to be an Acadian by the name of Jean-Claude Landry. So, who was the father and mother of René Landry? I do not know, nor does anybody know .... Thus the descendants of René Landry, in my humble opinion, can not go further up in their Landry genealogy, as we do not know who the parents of René Landry Jeunne were, nor where In France he was born.

"Jean-Claude Landry is effectively fictitious. There is no record showing that such a person ever existed. The husband of Marle Sallé is simply called Jean (or Jehan) Claude in the censuses of 1671 and 1678. According to archives, Marie Salé was married to Jean Claude if she is to be called the mother of René Landry, necessarily we have to give her husband a name of Jean Claude LANDRY. But, I repeat, the name Jean Claude Landry is not to be found anywhere in the history of Acadia at the time, more that the husband of Marie Salé was Jean Claude, PERIOD. He was a Micmac Indian. The Indians with the name Claude used to be quite numerous in Nova Scotia, The name Became Glaude, in my young days I knew a number of them, who would write their name Glode (In French "au" is pronounced "o").. His name occurs twice in the Port Royal Church Registers, ALWAYS have Jehan Clause, NEVER given as family name "Landry" . As a matter of fact, if clause Had not been his family name, it would mean that the register gives him his first and second name. Moreover, the registers of Port Royal WHOLE ALWAYS give the name of persons; to the fact is that Jehan Clause has given his name thus, NEVER with another name added to those two. If the family name Had been omitted in the registers, it would be the only time that such a thing occurred in any register. CLAUDE Thus was the family name. "

An overly enthusiastic and imaginative researcher Landry added to this individual's name in an effort to explain why Marie Sallé resided between the younger René Landry and his son Antoine Landry in 1686. He supposed that this was the same Marie Sallé who married Martin Aucoin at La Rochelle in 1632, Which does seem quite possible, and through that marriage she was related to Michelle Aucoin, with Whose daughter she resided in 1671 and 1678, Which is also possible . But the only way this researcher Marie Sallé could connect with the younger Rene Landry was in her guessing that Jean Claude was a really Landry and further that he must have been the younger René's father. Merely this is wishful thinking. The other difficulty with the younger René Landry concerns his absence from the 1671 census. Some researchers have thought that this signified that He Had not yet immigrated to Acadia by that time, but it can be shown that the 1671 census is incomplete, and Thus the failure of anyone from it does not prove that that person only arrived in Acadia after that date. Indeed the records of the family in LeBorgne E series of the Archives of colonies (file E 277) mention transactions involving the younger René Landry's wife's brother-in-law, Guyon Chaisson, between 1668 and 1674, so we know for certain that the Chiasson were at "Mouchecoudabouet" During those years. It is my opinion quite Likely that the younger René Landry and his family lived in close proximity with the Chiasson in "Mouchecoudabouet" around that time. As Bona Arsenault has indicated, for the elder René Landry to have been called "the elder" in the 1671 census another presuppose that René Landry must have lived somewhere in Acadia at the same time. As Father Archangel Godbout entries in his Dictionary of the Acadians, the younger René "came from France with his wife. This quotation is lifted from several of the depositions of the Acadians at Belle-Ile-en-Mer. Father Godbout As pointed out in the Memoires de la Societe French-Canadian Genealogy (vol. V. p. 5), this expression is simply Those depositions means that both the husband and wife were born in France, but does not necessarily mean that they came to Acadia together, much less already married to one another. So all we can say is that René Landry was born in France about 1634. We do not know Whether he came to Acadia alone or with other relatives. As I have explained above, however, we do know that he was not nearly related to any of the other Landry in Acadia. "

It is further stated by both Father d'Entremont and Professor White that it is very doubtful that two different census takers at two different times would have omitted the last name Landry when referring to the deceased husband of Marie Salé and if the family name Had been omitted in the church and other public registers, it would be the only time that such a thing occurred in any register. Therefore they both conclude that the addition of the surname Landry to Jean Claude is an error.

In a letter witten in early 1998, Stephen A. White, Genealogist, Acadian Studies Center writes: "What can I tell you about" Jean-Claude Landry "that I have not already said? Not much, I can assure you. No one has brought forward any new information to show that two different census takers, at two separate times, both forgot to put the name Landry in the entries pertaining to the widow Marie Sale. no one has discovered a cache of passenger lists for any of the vessels mentioned by Father Lanctot to show, as he maintains, that "Jean-Claude Landry" arrived in Acadia on a certain date, at the head of a group of a specific number of family members, In these circumstances, serious researchers must agree that nothing supports the contention that there ever was a " Jean-Claude Landry "in early Acadia." "No one really knows how the Landry came to Acadia, how many of them came together, if indeed they did come in a group, or if and how they were related, beyond the simple fact that Rene Landry groin and Antoinette Landry were brother and sister. We certainly have no documentation to show that Rene and Antoinette were twins! Even though Rene and Antoinette are both said to have been fifty-three years old in the 1671 census, no experienced genealogist would read that as meaning that they necessarily born at the same time, Because such records are rarely strictly accurate. After all, fifteen years later, in 1686. Antoinette is said to have been eighty! And by 1693 Had she regressed to seventy-six. Such records are Merely guides, they do not admit strict interpretation. To go further, without additional proofs, is to indulge in the creation of romantic fiction. "It is most regrettable that Father Lanctot chose to present his account of the history of our early Acadian families as though all of his points were based on documented facts. And it is reprehensible that a publisher saw fit to distribute such an admixture of truth and fantasy, as though it were serious history. The result is Invidious Insofar as Particularly Those people who have little or no means to consult the original records are concerned. They are left to suppose that Lanctot's work is a reliable piece of research, where did it is in fact treacherously misleading, Because there are some extremely good information mixed in with the bad. "

Stephen A. White writes: "Regarding the origin and parents of René Landry, the Jeunne there is probably no other Acadian family about Whose background there has been so much speculation and wishful thinking. The result is that what we actually know about the Landry families who immigrated from France to Acadia, has come to be regrettably Enshrouded in a dense fog of error and confusion. "

Dr. Donald Landry

Metairie, Louisiana

The group of 10 consisted of Jean-Claude Landry and his second wife, Marie Salée (40 years) with their son René Landry, dit le jeune (6 ans) and three children of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage: twins, René Landry dit l' aisne (22 years) and Antoinette Landry (22 years), Perrine Landry (29 years) with her husband Jacques Joffriau. Also in the group were three of Marie Salée's children from her first marriage to Martin Aucoin. These children were: Michelle Aucoin (22 years), Francois Aucoin (18 years) and Jeanne Aucoin (8 years). The group probably settled near the Saint-John River in the Cape Sable area. They later moved to Port Royal. Please note that there were two named René in this group, René Landry, the elder (son of Jean-Claude Landry from his first marriage) and René Landry, the younger (son of Jean-Claude Landry and Marie Salé). René, the elder married Perrine Bourg, widow of Simon Pelletret, in 1645. Perrine had 2 children from her first marriage: Henriette Pelletret (4 years)and Jeanne Pelletret (2 years).

Source: http://www.geocities.com/lucile_michaud/Landry/Landry_1eGeneration....

According to Paul Suprenant, son of Edna Landry, Rene lived in Acadia before 1755.

Rene LANDRY 52, Marie BERNARD 42; children: Claude 23, Jean 20, Rene 18, Germain 12, Abraham 8. Pierre 6, Cecile 22, Marie 16, Marguerite 14, Jeanne 10, Catherine 4, Anne 2; 2 guns, 10 arpents, 16 cattle, 20 sheep. Source: 1686 Acadia Census.

Nickname: dit René de la Hâve

Il y a un René Landry né en 1634 qui arriva au Canada en même temps que René fils de J-Claude. Certains document disent qu'ils sont deux frères, d'autres disent qu'ils n'ont aucun lien de parenté. Un autre dit que René est le fils de Rene né en 1640... Donc, pour ce René, les données sont incertaines. Selon Stephen White (p. 916), "Après une étude des dispenses accordées aux mariages des descendants des Landry, il apparaît que les deux premiers René Landry en Acadie ne puissent être d'une parenté plus proche que du deuxième ou troisième degré...".

Nickname: dit L'Aîné

Census: 1671 Port-Royal

Arrive à Port-Royal vers 1640. Frère d'Antoinette. En Acadie avec sa femme et 7 enf. en 1671. Avait aussi un frère du nom de René, né en 1634. Au recencement de 1671, on retrouve René et Perrine avec 7 enfants: Henriette Pelletret (probablement de son premier mariage) 1641; Jeanne 1643; Marie 1646; Marie 1648; Madeleine 1656; Pierre 1658 et Claude 1663. Selon Bona, originaire de LaChaussée, Loudun, Vienne, France. L'article précédent provient de SHND V.5 no. 4 aout 1977.

Stephen White: "L'absence des dispenses de parenté lors des mariages de Jean Daigre, arrière petit-fils d'Antoinette Landry, avec Madeleine Landry, fille de Claude Landry le jeune (Rg GP 6 nov 1721), de François Landry fils de René Landry le jeune, avec Dorothée Bourg, arrière petite-fille d'Antoinette Landry (Rg GP 21nov 1731) et de Joseph Landry, fils d'Antoine et René Landry le jeune, avec Marie-Josephte Bourg, soeur de Dorothée ci-dessus (Rg GP 11 janv 1745), signifie que René Landry le jeune n'était ni le frère, ni le neveu d'Antoinette." (voir Antoinette, pour note qui la dit soeur de René Landry l'aîné).

René was born in La Chaussée, Loundun, Vienne, France.

He arrived at Port Royal around 1640. He was married and died at Port Royal, Acadia.

Les soeurs Antoinette et Perrine, le frère René l'aîné et leur petit cousin René le cadet

Femme Acadienne : Gravure de Jacques Grasset de Saint-Sauveur, 1757-1810, graveur : J. Laroque. Publié dans Encyclopédie des voyages, Paris, 1796-1804

René Landry dit l'aîné et sa soeur Antoinette sont nés en France vers 1618 . Ils ont une soeur aîné, Perrine Landry née vers 1611. Un peu avant 1645 ils sont tous en Acadie, à Port-Royal. Perrine a épousé Jacques Joffriau, mais ils n'auront pas d'enfant. Antoinette épouse Antoine Bourg vers 1642. Perrine Bourg, probablement une parente de Antoine Bourg (1),, devient veuve de Simon Pelletret qu'elle avait épousé vers 1640 et épouse René Landry l'aîné en 1645. Perrine Bourg a déjà 2 filles, Henriette et Jeanne Pelletret, de son premier mariage.

Antoinette Landry et Antoine Bourg auront onze enfants mariés, les ancêtres des Bourg et Bourque d'Amérique. Les tests de son ADN mitochondrial démontrent bien qu'elle est une européenne.

René l'aîné et Perrine Bourg auront cinq enfants mariés, Marguerite, Henriette, Madeleine et deux fils, Pierre et Claude Landry qui auront tous des enfants. René fera souche essentiellement à Port-Royal. Perrine Landry et René l'aîné sont décédé peu avant le recensement de1686 et Antoinette après le recensement de 1693.

René Landry dit le cadet est né en France vers 1634 et a épousé en Acadie vers 1659 Marie Bernard. Ils ne sont pas dans le premier recensement d'Acadie de 1671 car ils étaient établis alors dans un lieu de traite et pas de colonisation. René et Marie Bernard auront au moins quinze enfants dont huit fils qui ont eu des fils. Par ce départ patrimonial important, ils représentent aujourd'hui la lignée de Landry la plus importante de la planète.

Vers 1994, Stephen White a indiqué dans une étude (2) basée sur les dispenses de mariage des descendants que les deux René Landry n'était pas parent plus près que du 2ième au 3ième degré (Grand oncle).

En 2006, une étude basée sur la génétique indique cependant qu'ils sont quand même apparentés. Considérant leur âge respectif, René l'aîné est possiblement le grand oncle de René le cadet, ce qui ne contredit pas l'étude de Stephen White.

Une étude récente indique que Andrée Guyon a épousée (Voir ma page sur origine de Andrée Guyon) Charles Bernard à La Rochelle en 1639 et probablement migré en Acadie en 1644. Ceci indique que ses filles sont nées en Acadie et qu'ainsi René le cadet Landry a épousé sa fille Marie vers 1659 en Acadie.

Pour poursuivre la recherche de l'origine des Landry Acadiens je retiens comme hypothèses : -Perrine Landry est née en France en 1611 et a épousé Jacques Joffriau vers 1640 en France ou en Acadie. -Antoinette Landry, sa soeur, est née en France en 1618 et a épousé Antoine Bourg en 1642 en France ou en Acadie. -René l'aîné Landry, son frère, est née en France en 1618 et a épousé la veuve Perrine Bourg en 1645 en Acadie. -René le cadet Landry, leur petit-cousin, est née en France en 1634 et a épousé en Acadie en 1659, Marie Bernard née en Acadie. Ainsi on ne doit pas chercher des actes de mariage des deux René en Europe mais uniquement des actes de naissance. On recherche toujours le lieu d'origine exact des Landry d'Acadie. Ce qu'il y a de certain maintenant c'est la parenté entre René l'aîné Landry et René le cadet Landry, démontré par une étude génétique de leurs descendants.

Étude spécifique à René le cadet.

Généalogie de René l'aîné Généalogie de René le cadet Généalogie de Perrine Généalogie de Antoinette

(1) Une étude de Stephen White indique que Antoine Bourg et Perrine Bourg ne sont pas frère et soeur. (2) Une autre étude de Stephen White indique que les deux René ne sont pa

http://mwlandry.ca/genealog/getperson.php?personID=I3&tree=05 René l'aîné Landry Titre Ancêtre Naissance 1618 France Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu [1] Sexe M Ancêtre OK Ancêtre acadien Référence # #3 Résidence Après 1632 Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu Recensement 1671 Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu [2, 3] 53 ans, laboureur, 10 bêtes à cornes, 6 brebis, 12 arpents. "Laboureur-RENÉ LANDRY Lesnés, aagé de 53 ans, sa femme Perrinne Bourc, aagée de 45 ans, Leurs enfans 7, quattre de mariez, a scavoir henriette Pelletret aagée de 30 ans, Jeanne aagée de 28 ans, Marie aagée de 25 ans, Marie aagée de 23 ans, Les non Mariez Magdeleine aagée de 15 ans, Pierre aagé de 13 ans, Claude aagé de 8 ans, Leurs bestiaux a Cornes 10 et 6 brebis, Leurs terres en Labour 12 arpans en deux places." http://www.mwlandry.ca/recens1671.htm Recensement 1678 Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu [3] 10 pièces de bétail, 4 arpents. Profession Laboureur Décès entre 1678 et 1686 Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu [4] Décédé entre les 2 recensements. ID personne I3 Landry Dernière modif. 15 juil 2014

Père Ancêtre1 des Landry, d'Acadie, n. France Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu Mère inconnu inconnu Mariage Avant 1611 France Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu ID Famille F4121 Feuille familiale | Tableau de famille

Famille Perrine Bourg, n. Vers 1626, France Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu, d. Après 1693, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu (âge ~ 67 années) Mariage 1645 Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu [5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10] Enfants

	1. Marie Marguerite l'aînée Landry,   n. 1646, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu

	2. Marie Henriette la cadette Landry,   n. 1650, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu,   d. oct 1719, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu  (âge 69 années)

	3. Madeleine Landry,   n. 1655, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu,   d. 17 fév 1740, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu  (âge 85 années)

	4. Pierre Landry,   n. 1658, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu

	5. Claude Landry,   n. 1663, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu,   d. 12 déc 1740, Port-Royal, Acadie, Nouvelle-Écosse Trouvez tous les individus avec un évènement dans ce lieu  (âge 77 années) Dernière modif.	22 jan 2018  ID Famille	F4 	Feuille familiale  |  Tableau de famille

Notes Il y a peu d'information certaine concernant les premier colons acadiens. Dans le cas des Landry, il y eu deux colons du prénom de René. Le premier dit René dit l'aîné (#3) épouse Perrine Bourg. Le deuxième René dit le Cadet (#5) épouse Marie Bernard.

Le plus ancien document disponible, le recensement de 1671 (réf.: 12) indique la présence de René l'aîné, mais aucune mention de René le Cadet . Les deux seront présents cependant sur le recensement de 1678. Au recensement de 1671, il y a également Antoinette Landry (#7) et Perrine Landry (#5935).

Dans réf.: 12, Les parlers français d'Acadie de Geneviève Massignon 1962, souligne la grande possibilité que beaucoup d'Acadiens venus de France proviennent de la région de Loudun en France. Les Landry entre autres de La Chaussé près de Loudun. Ainsi, elle indique, page 45, note (4) "Le nom de «René Landry» apparaît en 1638 dans le Reg. par. de La Chaussée (Vienne), comme parrain d'un Girouard."

Arsenault, dans réf.: 2.2 page 612, citant Geneviève Massignon vol. 1 p. 54, (probablement page 45, voir ci-haut), il indique René l'aîné, originaire de La Chaussée.

Dans Arsenault, réf.: 2.2 page 624, citant un manuscrit du père Archange Godbout, Dictionnaire des Acadiens, on indique que la mère de René le Cadet est Marie Salé. Or dans le Recensement de 1671, il y a une Marie Salé veuve de Jean Claude. Certains ont complétés le nom pour lire Jean-Claude Landry! Voir la fiche de Marie Sallé (#2925).

On indique aussi (2.2 page 612) que Perrine Bourg, épouse de René l'aîné est la soeur de Antoine Bourg, époux d'Antoinette Landry. Stephen White démontre au contraire qu'ils ne sont pas frère et soeur. Je retiens cette dernière information.

On en a déduit que Antoinette était la soeur de René l'aîné et probablement Perrine également. (White)

En résumé, Il est possible que René l'aîné (#3) et/ou René le Cadet (#5) soient originaire de La Chaussée près de Loudun, département de Vienne en France. Mais rien ne le prouve réellement. Ainsi Robert Larin (#489 page 302), concernant l'origine des Acadiens indique "À mon avis, cette possibilité demeure très vraisemblable quoique très hypothétique. En réalité, nous ne savons rien de l'origine de la population acadienne de 1671...".

En conclusion, René l'aîné, Antoinette et Perrine sont frère et soeurs. Ils ne sont pas parents au 2ième degré avec René le cadet. On ne sait pas de quel endroit de France ils viennent. Le deuxième époux de Marie Sallé est Jean Claude et on a aucune raison de croire qu'il serait Amérindien.

Lire la page concernant le mythe que son père pourraît un certain Jean-Claude Landry. http://www.mwlandry.ca/landryjeanclaude.htm White, S.A. Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes, Moncton, NB, 1999. Page 915 Notes de S.A. White i. La dispense du quatrième degré de consanguinité accordée lors du mariage de Charles Belliveau, arrière-petit-fils d'Antoine Bourg et d'Antoinette Landry, avec Marguerite Granger, arrière-petite-fille de René Landry l'aîné et de Perrine Bourg (Rg GP 3 nov 1717), nous montre qu'Antoinette et René étaient frère et soeur, vu que l'absence des dispenses lors des mariages des arrière-petits-enfants de Simon Pelletret et de Perrine Bourg avec ceux d'Antoine Bourg et d'Antoinette Landry élimine la possibilité qu'Antoine Bourg et Perrine Bourg soient frère et soeur. Voir famille Bourg (entre nos 1 et 2) note de S.A. White à propos d'Antoine Bourg et de Perrine Bourg. Concordance : #3 : René Landry l'aîné, #4 : Perrine Bourg, #8 : Antoine Bourg, #7 : Antoinette Landry.

ii. L'absence des dispenses de parenté lors des mariages de Jean Daigre, arrière-petit-fils d'Antoinette Landry, avec Madeleine Landry, fille de Claude à René Landry le jeune (Rg GP 6 nov 1721), de François Landry, fils de Pierre à René Landry le jeune, avec Dorothée Bourg, arrière-petite-fille d'Antoinette Landry (Rg GP 21 nov 1731) et de Joseph Landry, fils d'Antoine à René Landry le jeune, avec Marie-Josèphe Bourg, soeur de Dorothée ci-dessus (Rg GP 11 janv 1745), signifie que René Landry le jeune n'était ni le frère, ni le neveu d'Antoinette. Concordance : #5 : René Landry le jeune, #7 : Antoinette Landry. [11] White, S.A. Dictionnaire généalogique des familles acadiennes, Moncton, NB, 1999. page 916 Note de S.A. White Après une étude des dispenses accordées aux mariages des descendants des Landry, il apparaît que les deux premiers René Landry en Acadie ne puissent être d'une parenté plus proche que du deuxième au troisième degré. Cf, par exemple, l'absence des dispenses lors des mariages de Germain Dupuis, fils de Marie à René Landry le jeune, avec Marie Granger, petite-fille de Marie à René Landry l'aîné (Rg GP 3 nov 1717) et de Charles Lanoue, petit-fils de Marie à René Landry l'aîné, avec Marie-Josèphe Landry, fille de Charles à René Landry le jeune (Rg GP 12 juin 1729). Concordance : #3 : René Landry l'aîné, #5 : René Landry le jeune. [11] Lire la page concernant que son père pourraît un certain Jean-Claude Landry. http://www.mwlandry.ca/landryjeanclaude.htm [12]

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http://www.mwlandry.ca/lachaussee/etude_lachaussee.htm

Étude sur l'origine des acadiens par rapport à La Chaussée

Registres de La Chaussée Pour les premières années des registres de La Chaussée on a 1626-1632, 1635-1649 et 1650-1668 pour les baptêmes. 1639-1640 pour les mariages puis de 1668 pour les baptêmes et les mariages.

Baptêmes d'Acadiens à La Chaussée.

Deux Acadiens confirmés dans les Registres de La Chaussée sont les deux baptêmes des filles de Vincent Brun (sa généalogie) et Renée Breau. 25 janvier 1645 - Madeleine Brun (Brin selon CGP), fille de Vincent et Renée Breau (White p. 289) 21 août 1646 - Andrée Brun (Brin selon CGP), fille de Vincent et Renée Breau (White p. 289)

Baptême Andrée Brun - 21 août 1646

Archives départementales de la Vienne - Chaussée (La) _ Notre-Dame _ 1635-1649. Baptêmes - E DEPOT 69 GG 1 - Vue 57 Ce document ne peut être utilisé qu’à des fins strictement privées. Toute autre utilisation est subordonnée à l’autorisation écrite des Archives départementales de la Vienne

Baptême Madeleine Brun - 21 août 1646

Archives départementales de la Vienne - Chaussée (La) _ Notre-Dame _ 1635-1649. Baptêmes - E DEPOT 69 GG 1 - Vue 46 Ce document ne peut être utilisé qu’à des fins strictement privées. Toute autre utilisation est subordonnée à l’autorisation écrite des Archives départementales de la Vienne

Robert Larin Larin, Robert. La contribution du Haut-Poitou au peuplement de la Nouvelle-France, Éditions d'Acadie, Moncton, NB, 1994. Pages 86-87 Robert Larin établit les ancêtres canadiens originaire de La Chaussée à sept personnes dont quatre de la famille Vincent Brun (Brin).

37 - Martin le Godelier, sieur du Bourg. Né vers 1590, il était écuyer et seigneur du Bourg, à La Chaussée, où il semble qu'il s'intéressait particulièrement à l'agriculture. Veuf vers 1637, il épouse Marie Mathieu en secondes noces, et participe financièrement à l'entreprise acadienne de Charles de Menou d'Aulnay (no 33) avec lequel il était apparenté. On suppose qu'il fit aussi du recrutement en Loudunais, mais, chose certaine, il partit lui-même pour l'Acadie avec son fils et un valet. Il y est décédé en septembre 1642, deux mois après son arrivée. [3 enfants (19)]

38 - René le Godelier (fils du précédent et de Madeleine Sanglier). Il souffrait d'épilepsie et ne savait pas signer, contrairement aux autres membres de sa famille. Ayant accompagné son père en Acadie, il y est décédé après 1649. [Sans postérité]

39 - Jeanne Chebra (Antoine & Françoise Chaumont). Baptisée le 5 février 1627 à La Chaussée (20), on suppose que c'est la même que l'on retrouve à Port-Royal en 1671 (21). Elle avait épousé, vers 1648 en Acadie, Jean Poirier puis Antoine Gougeon, vers 1655. [2 + 1 enfants]

40 - Vincent Brun (...), «de la Grande-Chaussée». Il a immigré en Acadie avec sa famille, entre 1646 et 1650 (22). Qualifié de laboureur, il est recensé à Port-Royal en 1671. âgé alors de 60 ans, il possédait dix bêtes à cornes, quatre brebis et cinq arpents en valeur. [5 enfants]

41- Renée Braud ou Braude (...), épouse du précédent. Elle a immigré en Acadie dans les mêmes circonstances, et était âgée de 55 ans à Port-Royal en 1671. [5 enfants]

42 - Madeleine Brun (fille des précédents). Baptisée à La Chaussée le 25 janvier 1645, elle émigrera peu après avec ses parents en Acadie. Elle épouse, vers 1665 à Port-Royal, le maréchal Guillaume Trahan dont elle sera veuve vers 1682. Elle épousera ensuite Pierre Bézier vers 1684. [5 + 1 enfants]

43 - Andrée Brun (soeur de la précédente). Baptisée à La Chaussée le 21 août 1646, elle suit ses parents en Acadie où elle épousera Germain Terriau, à Port-Royal, vers 1668. Veuve vers 1676, elle épousera Emmanuel Hébert vers 1678. [3 + 6 enfants]

(19.) Tous les renseignements sur Martin le Godelier et son fils sont tirés de N. T. BUJOLD et M. CAILLEBEAU, Les origines françaises des familles acadiennes. Le sud loudunais, Poitiers, Imprimerie l'Union, 1979, p. 29 et suivantes. (20.) G. MASSIGNON, Les parlers français d'Acadie, tome 1, Paris, C. Klincksieck, 1961, p. 37. (21.) Le Recensement nominal de l'Acadie est reproduit dans B. SULTE, Histoire des Canadiens français, tome IV, Montréal, Wilson & Cie, 1882, p. 150-153. (22.) G. MASSIGNON, op. cit., p. 36-37.

Autres noms acadiens mais sans correspondance établie avec leurs homonymes acadiens.

Selon des notes de recherche à la Maison de l'Acadie il y a; Perrine Landry

   -Sur un acte de baptême du 2 janvier 1628 apparaît comme marraine une Perrine Landry. Selon les données du Cercle généalogique poitevin, il s'agit du 7 janvier 1628, le baptême de Renée Mauger fille de Jean Mauger et Catherine Marthe? Prudhomme. Selon l'acte des Archives départementales de la Vienne je lis "...... le septieme jours de janvier .... baptize Renée? fille de Jehan Maugers et de Catherine Prudhomme ... ... Vincent Cailleau marraine ...? ....? et Perrine Landry .... Vicaire de Lachaussee" sur l'acte ci-bas:

René Landry

   -Sur un acte de baptême du 15 avril 1638 apparaît comme parrain René Landry. (Geneviève Massignon, Les parlers français d'Acadie, Page 45) Selon le Cercle généalogique poitevin, il s'agit de Hilaire Giroire, né le 15 avril 1638 à La Chaussée, fils de François Giroire et Mathée Thibault. Ci-bas l'acte des Archives départementales de la Vienne.

Jacques Jouffriault - Marie Landry Dans Massignon, Geneviève. Les parlers français d'Acadie., à la page 37 note (3), on indique pour La Chaussée, que Jacques Jouffriault est le parrain en 1646, avec Perrine Robichaux, de Charles, fils de Jean Robichaux et de Marie Landri. Jacques Joffriau est le même nom que l'époux de Perrine Landry, la soeur de René l'aîné Landry. Rien n'indique cependant qu'il s'agit du même Jacques.

Mariage de la fille de Martin Le Godelier qui lui a vécu en Acadie avec son fils Cote E4/24-52 Archives départementales de la Vienne, Minutes Bourbeau - 1643. (Analyse affichée à la Maison de l'Acadie à La Chaussée, IMG6358)

Contrat de mariage du 29 mai 1643, d'Anne Le Godelier, fille de Martin Le Godelier, seigneur du Bourg de La Chaussée (Vienne) avec Hilaire Follet, Juge Magistrat au Présidial de Poitiers.

On y apprend que : -Martin Le Godelier était décédé à cette date (dont au cours de l'été 1642 selon le testament de Charles de Menou d'Aulnay, Gouverneur de l'Acadie qui indique que ce décès eut lieu 2 mois après son arrivée en cette contrée. -que Martin Le Godelier était non seulement seigneur du Bourg La Chaussée, mais aussi du Cormier, paroisse de Chemillé en Maine et Loire et du Munet en Indre et Loire. -qu'il était remarié depuis peu d'années (vers 1638 selon le registre paroissial de La Chaussée) et que sa fille Anne et son fils René étaient issus du premier mariage. -qu'il était apparenté avec la famille de La Tremblai-Robin dont était issu Charles de Menou d'Aulnay. -qu'il y a des parents absents au dit contrat (René Le Godelier, frère de l'épouse est en Acadie). -que la dot de l'épouse comporte une somme de trois mille livres dues à la succession de Martin Le Godelier par Charles de Menou d'Aulnay, lieutenant pour le Roi en la Nouvelle-France selon un contrat passé entre eux le 9 mai 1642 à La Rochelle en l'étude de Me Juppin, notaire royal en cette ville.

Contrat entre la famille Le Godelier et Vincent Landry, notaire à La Chaussée Cote E4/24-52 Archives départementales de la Vienne, Minutes Bourbeau - 1644. (Analyse affichée à la Maison de l'Acadie à La Chaussée, IMG6357)

Contrat de fermage de la maison et Seigneurie du Bourg de La Chaussée (Vienne). Du 8 avril 1644, entre Hilaire Follet, époux d'Anne Le Godelier et Vincent Landry, notaire royal et archer à La Chaussée. Ce Vincent Landry était le père d'un filleul de Martin Le Godelier. Ce document est intéressant d'une part parce qu'il montre les liens existants entre la famille de Martin Le Godelier, décédé 2 ans auparavant en Acadie et une famille Landry qui a sûrement fourni plusieurs colons acadiens, et d'autre part parce qu'il fait ressortir les différentes productions agricoles du domaine de Martin Le Godelier à La Chaussée: soient: le blé, la vigne, le lin, les pois, les fèves, les amandes, les ruches donnant du miel et la cire, l'arboriculture, c'est à dire toutes celles (sauf la vigne mais auxquelles on doit ajouter le chanvre) que l'on retrouve dans la primitive Acadie.

La Seigneurie du Bourg de La Chaussée fit l'objet d'un échange vers 1690 par Anne Le Godelier.

Liens entre Martin Le Godelier et Charles Menou d'Aulnay. Cote E4/24-61 Archives départementales de la Vienne, Minutes Bourbeau - 1654. (Analyse affichée à la Maison de l'Acadie à La Chaussée, IMG6361)

Contrat de fermage de la Maison et Seigneurie d'Aulnay, du 1er décembre 1654, entre Guillaume Le Bel, membre du Conseil Privé du Roi, Grand Prévôt et Garde du Sceau Royal au pays d'Acadie, tuteur des enfants mineurs de Charles de Menou d'Aulnay pour leur bien en France et trois bourgeois de la région de Loudun. Ce document -absolument inconnu à ce jour- et le dernier découvert (l'ordre des découvertes est porté en haut et à droite, en rouge sur chaque présentation) est la pièce maîtresse, en état actuel des choses de toute l'étude sur les origines des premières familles acadiennes.

Il démontre que 1º- des habitants de La Chaussée, les serviteurs de Martin Le Godelier et de son fils suivirent ces derniers en Acadie en mai 1642 et y restèrent! C'est la preuve qu'attendaient tous les historiens de l'Acadie. 2º- Si l'on ignore encore le nombre, les patronymes précis et les hameaux d'origine de ces serviteurs on peut raisonnablement espérer dorénavant détecter d'autres documents les concernant dans les séries E ou O des Archives Nationales car la dette de 3 000 livres de Charles Menou d'Aulnay envers Martin Le Godelier fit l'objet d'un dossier justificatif détenu par le Conseiller privé de Roi, Guillaume Le Bel ainsi qu'il ressort du sort spécial réservé par cet acte à la créance des héritiers de Martin Le Godelier (sa fille Anne et son gendre). L'acte donne enfin un point de comparaison pour l'évaluation en francs actuels. Un pourceau d'un an vaut de nos jours environs 1500 F. et valait 20 livres à l'époque. La dette de 3 000 livres équivaut donc à environ 225 000 F.

Note: Hilaire Bourbeau, notaire à Poitiers, Archives départementales de la Vienne No.: 4 E 24/37-87 pour les années 1628-1681.

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1671 Acadian census

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ID: I1198 Name: Rene l'aine LANDRY Given Name: Rene l'aine Surname: Landry Name: The elder Given Name: The elder Surname: Sex: M Birth: Abt 1618 in , , , France Death: 1678/1686 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Reference Number: 2450 _UID: 9A3B493C3EEED411AFD90050DA8458AFA86C Change Date: 7 Nov 2016 at 21:20 Note: !BIRTH-OCCUPATION-MARRIAGE-CHILDREN-CENSUS-DEATH: Stephen A. White, DICTIONNAIRE GENEALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ACADIENNES; 1636-1714; Moncton, New Brunswick, Centre d'Etudes Acadiennes, 1999, 2 vols.; p. 915; own copy. #1:

!NAME-BIRTH-IMMIGRATION-MARRIAGE-CHILDREN: Arsenault, H&G, p. 612 (Port Royal). He arrived in Acadia about 1640, probably from Chausse, Loudun region, Dept. of Vienne, France, and there around 1645, married Perrine Bourg, widow of PELLETRET, sister of Antoine BOURG.

!SISTER: Stephen White in Acadian Genealogy Exchange, vol. 23, no. 3 (July 1994) disputes that wife Perrine BOURG was sister of Antoine BOURG, using a study of the descendants' marriage dispensations. However, he also argues "the conclusion that we can accept as being sufficient proof that Antoinette LANDRY was the sister of René the elder."

!SISTER: "Progenitors--Those Most Misunderstood," ACADIAN GENEALOGY EXCHANGE; ; vol. XXIII, no. 4 (Oct 1994); P. 118; own copy; these facts have been verified by the Centre d'Etudes acadiennes as accurate. "LANDRY--The two Rene's are not related. Antoinette LANDRY, wife of Antoine BOURG, was the sister of René the Elder, married to Perrine BOURG."

!RESIDENCES: "Ron McDuff's LANDRY line," in THE ACADIAN STAR; vol. 1, issue 1 (Oct 1995), p. 3. #11 generation has Rene LANDRY & Perrine BOURG, married 1644 at Port Royal, Acadia. From: La Ventrouze-Mortagne-en-Perche, France.

!CENSUS: 1671, Port Royal, Acadia, [p. 11]. Name is followed by Lesne [L'aine'] meaning The Elder. Age is 53 years, Laborer, living with wife Perrine BOUR, age 45. Of their 7 children, 4 are married. They have 10 cattle and 6 sheep on 12 arpents in 2 places. Oldest child is named Henriette PELLETRAT, age 30, daughter of wife's first marriage. Probably the second child is also a daughter of Simon PELTRET, born to his wife's 1st husband.

!CENSUS: 1678, Clarence J. d'Entremont, "Recensement de Port-Royal," in MEMOIRES DE LA SOCIETE GENEALOGIQUE CANADIENNE-FRANCAISE; vol. 22, no. 4; pp. 235; sent by PERSI in Jun 1999. Rene LANDRY, listed with Perrine BOURG and two boys and one girl. They have 1 [sic] arpents, and 10 head of cattle.

DEATH: Rene does not appear on the 1686 census with his wife, who is living with their youngest son Claude.

Father: LANDRY

Marriage 1 Perrine BOURG b: Abt 1626 in , , , France Married: Abt 1645 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Change Date: 21 Sep 2016 Children Has Children Marie (Marguerite) LANDRY b: Abt 1646 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Has Children Marie LANDRY b: Abt 1650 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Has Children Madeleine LANDRY b: Abt 1655 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Has Children Pierre LANDRY b: Abt 1658 in Port Royal, , , Acadia Has Children Claude LANDRY b: Abt 1663 in Port Royal, , , Acadia

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wikiTrees:
rene landry
Birth  1618 • France
Death  1686 • Port Royal, Norfolk, Ontario, Canada
Marriage  1645 • Port Royal, Nova Scotia, Canada
Parents  pere landry
Spouse  perrine bourg landry
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/107099

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weRelate:
René Landry
Birth  1618 • La Chaussée, Vienne, France
Death  1678 • Port Royal, Nova Scotia, Canada
Marriage  1645 • Port Royal, Nova Scotia, Canada
Spouse  perrine bourg
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Rene+Landry+%281%29

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Geni:
Rene Landry
Birth  1618 • Loudun, Vienne, France
Death  1686 • Port Royal, Nova Scotia, Canada
Parents  Etienne Landry • Marie Salle
Siblings  Antoinette Landry
Spouse  Perrine Bourg • Perrine Bourque
Children  Francis Landry

Lead confidence: 2
Rene [l'aîné] Landry

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Geni:
Rene Landry
Birth  1618 • Aquitaine, France
Death  1686 • Annapolis Royal, Annapolis, Nova Scotia, Canada
Parents  Catherine Goulet • Etienne Landry
Siblings  Perrine Landry
Spouse  Perrine Bourg
Children  Claude Landry • Madeleine Landry • Marie Landry • Pierre Landry

Lead confidence: 1
Rene [l'aîné] Landry

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René Landry l'aîné
Birth  1618 • La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
Death  1686 • Port Royal, Annapolis, Nova Scotia, Canada
Parents  Landry
Spouse  Perrine Bourg
Children  Claude Landry • Jeanne Landry • Madelaine Landry • Marie Landry • Marie Marguerite Landry • Pierre Landry

Lead confidence: 5
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/M2VY-SQQ

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Geni:
Rene Landry
Birth  1618 • France
Death  Canada
Spouse  Perrine Bourg
Children  Madeleine Landry

Lead confidence: 1
Rene [l'aîné] Landry

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Rene LANDRY, 52, wife Perrine BOURC 45; Children (4 married): Henriette PELLETROT 30, Jeanne 28, Marie 25, Marie 23; (not married): Magdeleine 15, Pierre 13, Claude 8; cattle 10, sheep 6. 1671 AcadianCensus Port Royal

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Arrivé en Acadie vrs 1640

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Note: Twin to his sister Anthoinette

There were two René Landry in Port-Royal in 1671. The older René married Perrine BOURG, the other married Marie BERNARD who had come from France. It is from this second union that the large family of Landry came. Marie BERNARD had forteen children, eight of which were boys who all married and had children. Seven of them were among those who colonized Grand-Pré, allied with the THIBODEAU, TERRIAU MELANSON, DUPUIS, RICHARD,GUILLEBEAU, and BROUSSARD ancestors.

Stephen White shows a Perrine LANDRY v.2, p. 914 as being the possible sister of Rene Landry, the Elder (l 'aine], who was born about 1611. She was first recorded in the 1671 census of Port Royal at the age of 60 and she was a widow. White states that she probably married about 1640 to Jacques JOFFERIAU. Stephen has a few explanation notes There are no children listed by White for this clouple. Stephen also shows, V.2, p. 915: Antoinette LANDRY, also shown to be a sister of Rene Landry (l'aine) b. about 1618. She was first recorded on the 1671 census of Port Royal at the age of 53, then again on the census of 1686 at the age of 80 [sic], then again living with her son Abraham BOURG in 1693 at the age of 76. She probably married about 1642 to Antoine BOURG. (No parents given for Antoine.) White does not list any children for this couple. Again, Stephen has a few explanation notes. Also on page 915 is: Rene (l'aine) LANDRY , b. about 1618. First shown on the census of Port Royal in 1671 at the age of 53. HE was la "labouereur. He died between the census of 1678 and 1686. He married in Port Royal in 1645 to Perrine BOURG, who has been born about 1626 and was the widow of Simon PELLETRET at the time she married Rene. This couple had a total of 5 children. In reference to Rene Landry who married Marie Bernard: Per Stephen White, DGFA, V.1, p. 916: Rene was knows as the Younger (Lejeune), b. about 1634. First appeared on the 1686 Census of Port Royal at the age of 52. This means that it is possible that he was a soldier or an indentured person when he arrived in Acadia. He died (according to testaments given by ancestors on the Isle Belle-en-Mer, France) in Port Royal before the census of 1693. He married in 1639 (there are no further details about the marriage itself) in Port Royal to Marie BERNARD, daughter of (Unknown) and Andree Guyon). She died in Port Royal (Register of 11 Jan 1739). The couple had 15 children! White cites the following sources: Registers of Port Royal; Declarations of Bell Isle-en-Mer, France, Vol. II p. 184; vol. III, p. 32 and 53; Census of Port Royal 1671, 1678, 1686 and 1693. There is also an explanation note here as well.

(The above from an email to Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com by Andrea Scott
,2005)

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Ancestral File Number: 385M-V8 1 M
Ancestral File Number:(AFN) 385M-V8
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Birthdate and place from Arsenault, Vol 2, page 612. Footnote 66 says
that there were two Rene Landrys in Acadia, this one (the older) wo
appears in the census of 1671, and another who appears in 1678 and was
born in 1634.

Indian. LDS Church records have listed this Rene as the father of Rene
Landry,
LDS Church records have listed this Rene as the father of Rene Landry,
Married
to Marie Bernard, and sealed them as father and son. The following is
from the
Landry family history as recorded in "The Genealogist" magzine from the
ACGS,
Vol. V, no.2, Aug 1, 1979,issue no.10;
"There were two Rene Landrys, who are the ancestors of our family in
Acadia. They both came there about 1645. They probably came, as has
been
proven for many of Acadian families, from the vicinity of LaChausse,
department
de Vienne, France. So far it has not been possible to establish any
blood
relationship between the two men. The first was born in France in 1618,
married Perrine Bourg in 1639, and he had five known children. The
second Rene
was born in 1634, married Marie Bernard in 1659, they had fifteen
children.
These two Renes are certainly the ancestors of all the Acadian Landrys."
Additionally; "The settlement of Grand Pre began about 1680 with
the
arrival ofPaul Melanson from Port Royal, where he had married Cecile
Landry,
the daughter of Rene and Marie Bernard. Two of Cecile's brothers,
Antoine and
Claude,joined them in 1682. They were truly the founders of Grand Pre."

REF; BONAARSENAULT'S HISTORY
REF; BOB WAY--FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. SEPT 1992

L'aine translates to "The Elder" or Senior

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His birthdate comes from Arsenault, Vol 2, page 623. He was the second
of this name in Acadia and probably settled initially around the St.
John River, but was found in Port Royal inthe 1671 and 1686 censuses.

REF; BOB WAY--FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. SEPT 1992
Indian

Source: Bergeron Comeau page 267 & 1671 Acadian census

• In the 1671 Acaian census Rene had 10 cattle & 6 sheep. There were five un-
• named daughters. In the 1678 census he had 1 acre & 10 cattle. He had 2 sons
• 20 & 15 and 1 daughter 23. Rene arrived in Acadia in 1640

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Vien de l'Aine en France

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!BIRTH: "Generations...Past to Present",by Phobe Chauvin Morrison: p. 244 Published by Terrebonne Genealogical Society, Houma, LA. Book located in main public library in Dallas, Texas. !MARRIAGE: "Generations...Past to Present",by Phobe Chauvin Morrison: p. 244 Published by Terrebonne Genealogical Society, Houma, LA. Book located in main public library in Dallas, Texas.

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Rene Landry, born in 1618, was a native of La Chausee, in the region ofLoudun, department of Vienne, France. He arrived in Acadia about 1640and married Perrine Bourg about 1645. (Re: Attakapas GazettePage 155Winter 1990.) Perrine was the widow of a Pelletret who died in France,and the sister of Antoine Bourg. Rene and Perrine are listed in the 1671 census of Port Royal. Thisdocument states that they had two sons and five daughters. Two of thechildren were Perrine's daughters from her first marriage, Henriette andJeanne Pelletret. Rene Landry ??, wife Perrine Bourc 45: Children (4married) Henriette Pelletrot 30, Jeanne 28, Marie 25, Marie 23; (notmarried) Madgeleine 15, Pierre 13, Claude 8, cattle 10, sheep 6. Census of Port Royal - 1678 Rene Landry and Perrine Bourg 1 acre, 10cattle Pierre 20, Claude 15, Madeleine 23 Re:Arsenault, Bona: "Histoire et Genealogie des Acadiens," vol 2, pp. 429, 442, 612-613, 617, 623-5, 678, 717, vol. 3, pp. 1198, vol. 4, pp. 1321, 1402; vol. 6, 2408-9, 2499 Jehn, Janet: "Acadien Descendants," vol 1, p. 122 Leblanc, D. J.: " The Acadian Miracle: p 377 Martin, Lucien and Melba: "Remember Us" pp 113-114 I have Marie d/o of Perrine Bourg/Rene Landry born1646 died 26 Oct 1717marrie 1666 Laurant Granger born 1637 died 1 Mar 1739. Source: Chris Thomas ct9965@gte.net From, "Acadian Genealogy Exchange", Vol. XXII, No. 2, pp. 39-42, 'SteveWhite's Corner' - Response to letter from Dr. Donald J. Landry ofMetarie, LA: "Without doubt there is no other great Acadian family whose origin hasbeen the object of such speculation and even fantasy, as the LANDRYS. Asa result, what we know about the first LANDRYs from France isunfortunately embedded in a melange of confusion and errors. Four peoplenamed LANDRY, all of whom were born in France, appear on the Acadiancensus of 1671, 1678, 1686 and 1693. Two were brothers, both named Reneand two were women, named Perrine and Antoinette. Most researcherspresumed that these four LANDRYS were all from t he same family but that'snot the case. Actually, even if it was possible for us to show thatAntoinette LANDRY was the sister of one of the two Rene's (Rene theelder) and that we could believe that Perrine LANDRY was also his sister,we have also proof that these three people could not be connected to theother Rene (the younger) inside of the third degree of consanguinity. Theproofs to which we make reference are found in the dispensations, or lackof same, in marriage records of LANDRY descend ants . As for the line of parentage between Antoinette LANDRY and Rene LANDRYthe elder, we find that in the marriage of Francois BRUN, great-grandsonof Antoinette and Madeleine DUPUIS, great-granddaughter of Rene theelder, done at Port Royal October 24, 1735, a dispensation from thefourth degree of consanguinity was granted. Moreover, there exist in thearea of eight other marriage records between great-grandchildren ofAntoinette and great-grandchildren of Rene the elder, where equaldispensations were written. might mention that two of these eightrecords to which we come to make allusion are mentioned in an article onthe subject of LANDRYS that Father Patrice GALLANT published in 'Cahiersde la Socete [sic] acadienne' in 1972 (Vol. IV, pp. 271-273).Unfortunately, in this article Father GALLANT hid the relationshi betweenthe LANDRYs in confusing the father and mother of Madeleine DUPUIS, JeaDUPUIS and Anne RICHARD, with another couple, Jean DUPUIS and MargueriteRICHARD, who were in fact the nephew and cousin germain of the twoothers. By chance, the two DUPUIS couples count each one a descendant ofthe LANDRYs, but the mother of Madeleine DUPUIS, Anne RICHARD, actuallywas the granddaughter of Rene LANDRY the elder, while Jean DUPUIS who wasMarguerite RICHARD's husband was the grandson of Rene LANDRY the younger.Father GALLANT thus confused the two Rene LANDRYS and consequentlythought he had discovered a dispensation to prove that the two Rene'swere brothers. But the dispensation in Francois BRUN and MadeleineDUPUIS's marriage record on which it is based, only gives us additionalproof of the relationship between Antoinette LANDRY and Rene LANDRY theelder. Given that the spouses of Antoinette LANDRY and Rene Landry the elderwere both BOURGS, it seems that one could explain the dispensationgranted in the marriages between their respective great-grandchildren aswell as presuming tha Antoine BOURG and Perrine BOURG were brother andsister, that is supposing that Antoinette LANDRY and Rene LANDRY werebrother and sister. Happily, there are ways to resolve this dilemma.Perrine BOURG married Simon PELLETRET before becoming the wife of Renethe elder and the two PELLETRET daughters left many descendants. At leastseven marriages took place between the grand children of the twoPELLETRET sisters and great-grandchildren of Antoine BOURG. If Perrineand Antoine had been brother and sister, the marriage records of theseseven marriages should have mentioned dispensations from the fourthdegreeof consanguinity, but no dispensations occurred. We then are ableto eliminate the possibility that Perrine and Antoine were sister andbrother, leaving us to the conclusion that we can accept as beingsufficient proof that Antoinette LANDRY was the sister of Rene the elder. The widow Perrine LANDRY who married first Jacques JOFFRIAU was countedon the Port Royal censuses for 1671 and 1678 as being beside the home ofLaurent GRANGER and Marie LANDRY. Given that Marie LANDRY was thedaughter of Rene LANDRY t