Ranulph dit 'le Riche'

Simon de Senlis or St. Liz, Earl of Northampton and Huntingdon, was son of a Norman noble called Randel le Ryche. [1]. Simon Senlis/St. Liz probably went to England from Normandy about the end of the reign of William the Conqueror, after 1086 (for he is not named in Domesday Book) and in or before 1090, when he witnessed a charter to Bath Abbey as "Earl Simon."

Anselme said that Simon was a son of Landri de Senlis[4], but recent research now has him as the son of Ranoul "le Riche". [5]

Genealogy

from FMG (Medlands) Paris Region: Clermont & Dammartihn

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#_Toc40250999 accessed 20 August 2024

v4.17 Updated 19 June 2024

Chapter 1. CLERMONT [en-BEAUVAISIS]
E. LE BOUTEILLER de SENLIS, SEIGNEURS de CHANTILLY

The history of the family of the Bouteillers de Senlis was studied by Du Chesne, published for the first time in the late 19th century[369].

1. RANOUL (Ranulf) "the Rich", son of ---. m ---. The name of Ranulf's wife is not known. Ranulf & his wife had two children:

• a) GARNIER (Warner) de Senlis . A manuscript narrating the foundation of St Andrew´s Priory, Northampton records that “duo fratres…Garnerius dictus le Ryche et Simon de Seynlyz filii Raundoel le Ryche” accompanied William “the Conqueror” to England, adding that Warner returned to France after the death of his father to assume his inheritance[561]. m ---. The name of Warner´s wife is not known. Warner & his wife had four children:
  • i) JOHN . “Symon et uxor mea Matildis” founded the St Andrew´s, Northampton by undated charter, subscribed by “…Johannis nepotis comitis…Symonis nepotis comitis, Warneri nepotis comitis…Petri nepotis comitis…”[562].
  • ii) SIMON . “Symon et uxor mea Matildis” founded the St Andrew´s, Northampton by undated charter, subscribed by “…Johannis nepotis comitis…Symonis nepotis comitis, Warneri nepotis comitis…Petri nepotis comitis…”[563].
  • iii) WARNER . “Symon et uxor mea Matildis” founded the St Andrew´s, Northampton by undated charter, subscribed by “…Johannis nepotis comitis…Symonis nepotis comitis, Warneri nepotis comitis…Petri nepotis comitis…”[564].
  • v) PETER . “Symon et uxor mea Matildis” founded the St Andrew´s, Northampton by undated charter, subscribed by “…Johannis nepotis comitis…Symonis nepotis comitis, Warneri nepotis comitis…Petri nepotis comitis…”[565].
• b) SIMON de Senlis [St Lis] (-Priory of La Charité-sur-Loire [1111], bur Priory of La Charité-sur-Loire). (continued below)

1. LANDRY . Landry is named in the charter of his son Guy (see below). Nothing further is known about him. According to Du Chesne, Landry was the son of Foulques de Senlis, son of Rothold (see above) but he cites no primary source on which he bases the statement[381]. m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1082/89] under which her son "Wido miles de civitate…Silvanectis…filius Landrici et Hermengardis…eiusque uxor…Berta" donated land "ad Sordidam villam in territorio…Silvanectensi" to Saint-Martin-des-Champs[382]. Landry & his wife had one child:

• a) GUY [I] de la Tour de Senlis (-1124).

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B. EARLS of HUNTINGDON (family of SIMON de SENLIS)

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• SIMON de Senlis [Saint Lis], son of RANOUL "le Riche" & his wife -- (-Priory of La Charité-sur-Loire [1111], bur Priory of La Charité-sur-Loire). A manuscript narrating the foundation of St Andrew´s Priory, Northampton records that “duo fratres…Garnerius dictus le Ryche et Simon de Seynlyz filii Raundoel le Ryche” accompanied William “the Conqueror” to England[566]. He was created Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton in [1087/90] after his marriage, presumably de iure uxoris, although his late father-in-law's earldom must have been forfeited in [1075] implying that a new grant would have been necessary. He witnessed a charter to Bath Abbey as "Earl Simon" in 1090[567]. He built the castle of Northampton. “Symon et uxor mea Matildis” founded the St Andrew´s, Northampton by undated charter, subscribed by “…Johannis nepotis comitis…Symonis nepotis comitis, Warneri nepotis comitis…Petri nepotis comitis…”[568]. "…Symonis comitis…" subscribed a charter dated 14 Sep 1101 under which Henry I King of England donated property to Bath St Peter[569]. A manuscript narrating the foundation of St Andrew´s Priory, Northampton records that Simon died “apud Caritatem” while returning from a journey to “terram sanctam” and was buried there[570]. m ([1087/90]%29 as her first husband, MATILDA [Maud] of Huntingdon, daughter of WALTHEOF Earl of Huntingdon and Northumberland & his wife Judith de Lens [Boulogne] ([1071/76]-[23 Apr 1130/22 Apr 1131], bur Scone Abbey, Perthshire). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland records the marriage of Matilda eldest daughter of Judith and "Earl Simon[571]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the eldest of the three daughters of Waltheof & his wife married "Simon de Senlis" and later "David frère de la seconde Mathilde reine des Anglais"[572]. Her parents are named by Orderic Vitalis[573]. She married secondly (1113) David of Scotland Prince of Cumbria, who succeeded in 1124 as David I King of Scotland. Robert of Torigny records that the wife of "David [rex Scotiæ] frater [Alexandri]" was "filiam Gallevi comitis et Judith consobrini regis", naming "Symon Silvanectensis comes" as her first husband[574]. "Matilde comitisse, Henrico filio comitis…" witnessed the charter dated to [1120] under which "David comes filius Malcolmi Regis Scottorum" founded the abbey of Selkirk[575]. "Matildis comitissa…" witnessed inquisitions by "David…Cumbrensis regionis princeps", dated 1124, concerning land owned by the church of Glasgow[576]. Earl Simon & his wife had four children:
  • i) SIMON de Senlis (-Aug 1153, bur St Andrew's Priory). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland names "Simon, Waldev and Matilda" as the children of Simon Earl of Huntingdon and his wife Matilda, commenting that they "are still young and in their infancy"[577]. He was restored as Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton [before 1141]. - see below.
  • ii) WALTHEOF de Senlis (-3 Aug 1159[578]). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland names "Simon, Waldev and Matilda" as the children of Simon Earl of Huntingdon and his wife Matilda, commenting that they "are still young and in their infancy"[579]. "…Waldef filio Reginæ…" witnessed a charter dated to [1128] by which "David…Rex Scottorum" made grants to the church of St John in the castle of Roxburgh[580]. Prior of Kirkham. A manuscript narrating the foundation of Thornton Abbey records that it was founded in 1139 by “Willielmus Grose comes Albermarliæ”, and that “cognati sui Wallevi, prioris de Kyrkham…fratris Simonis comitis Northamtoniæ” arranged the arrival of the first monks[581]. The relationship between the two was through Judith de Lens, maternal grandmother of Waltheof, who was uterine sister of Guillaume´s father. He was installed as second Abbot of Melrose in 1148[582].
  • iii) MAUD de Senlis (-before 1163). Ingulph's Chronicle of the Abbey of Croyland names "Simon, Waldev and Matilda" as the children of Simon Earl of Huntingdon and his wife Matilda, commenting that they "are still young and in their infancy"[583]. A manuscript narrating the foundation of Daventre priory records that “Symonis de Seynliz” had two sisters “quarum una…Matildis Seynliz” married “Robertus filius Ricardi”[584]. A manuscript history of the foundation of Dunmow Priory records the marriage in 1112 of “Robertus filius Ricardi” and “Matildam de Sancto Lisio”, although the dating of events in this source appears shaky[585]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. A manuscript history of the foundation of Dunmow Priory records the death in 1140 of “Matildis de Sancto Licio uxor Roberti filii Ricardi”, although the dating of events in this source appears shaky[586]. m firstly ([1112]%29 ROBERT FitzRichard de Clare Lord of Dunmow, son of RICHARD Lord of Clare and Tonbridge & his wife Rohese Giffard (-[1134], bur Priory of St Neot). m secondly (1136) SAHER de Quincy, son of --- (-[1156/58]).
  • iv) daughter . A manuscript narrating the foundation of Daventre priory records that “Symonis de Seynliz” had two sisters “quarum una…Matildis Seynliz” married “Robertus filius Ricardi”, but does not name the second sister[587].

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Ranulph "the Rich" de St. Liz was a Norman.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_I_de_Senlis,_Earl_of_Huntingdon...

Simon was the third son of Laudri de Senlis, sire of Chantilly and Ermenonville (in Picardy), and his spouse, Ermengarde.[2]

2. Matthew Strickland, 'Senlis, Simon (I) de, earl of Northampton and earl of Huntingdon (d. 1111x13)', Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004 < link > (UK library card or subscription needed to view)
But see above at Medlands: Landry de Senlis and his wife Ermengarde were the parents of Guy de la Tour de Senlis, not of Simon de Senlis.

References

1. https://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p63.htm#i8093 cit4es
2. [S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, VI:640.
3. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Senlis-83
4. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Senlis-82
   1. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Published in print: 23 September 2004Published online: 23 September 2004
   2. AEDC
   3. Complete Peerage, VI:640-1 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger). SENLIS SIMON I Earl of Huntington, [second creation by right of wife]. Married Matilda, daughter of Waltheof of Northumbria and Judith of Lens, niece of William I.
   4. Anselme, tome VI, p. 268.
   5. Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families. Hosted online by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG), accessed 2021, La Bouteiller de Senlis, Seigneurs de Chantilly. cites
      1. [369] Duchesne, Bouteilllers (1878) or (1879).
   6. Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry (2013) Vol. I p. 278.
   7. Geni.
   8. Reports and Papers of the Architectural and Archaeological Societies of the Counties of Lincoln and Northampton (Savill and Edwards, London, 1850) Vol. 1, Page 236
5. https://cybergata.com/roots/4000.htm cites
   1. ~Weis' Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 130:26, names Ranulph as the father of Simón de St. Liz & refers to him as "a Norman". 160
      1. 160. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who came to America Before 1700,, Eighth Edition, 2004, Genealogical Publishing Co.,
6. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_I._de_Senlis "The origin of Simon de Senlis is disputed. On the one hand, he is seen as the third son of Landri de Senlis, Sire de Chantilly et de Ermenonville , and his wife Ermengarde, [ 2 ] on the other hand as the son of Ranoul/Raundoel le Riche. [ 3 ]" Cites:
   1. 2. Smith 2004 (ODNB)
   2. . duo fratres ... Garnerius dictus le Ryche et Simon de Seynlyz filii Raundoel le Ryche (Dugdale) William Dugdale : Monasticon Anglicanum. Volume 5, Priory of St Andrew, Northampton, I, Incipit de Fundatione Domus nostræ , p. 190
7. Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 51, Page 248 < link > Senlis, Simon de by Charles Lethbridge Kingsford
   1. SENLIS or ST. LIZ, SIMON de, Earl of Northampton and Huntingdon (d. 1109), was son of a Norman noble called Randel le Ryche. According to the register of the priory of St. Andrew at Northampton (Monast. Angl. v. 190), he fought with his brother Garner for William the Conqueror at Hastings. But there is no mention of him in Domesday book, and it seems more probable that he did not come to England till about the end of the reign of William I (Freeman, Norman Conquest, iv. 604). According to the legends preserved in the pseudo-Ingulph and the ‘Vita Waldevi,’ Simon was given by the Conqueror the hand of Judith, the widow of Earl Waltheof of Huntingdon; but Judith refused to marry him on account of his lameness. Simon then received the earldom of Northampton and Huntingdon from the king, and eventually married Matilda or Maud, the daughter of Waltheof and Judith. ....