30 Aug 2013 - Note from J Harlow, Curator.

I have been searching for an authoritative reference to shore up my hypothesis that Pagano Ebriaci is the same person as Abū Saʿīd Khalaf...who in turn, I hypothesize, was a Jewish son of Yosef of Fustat.

I have been searching for nearly a year and I have come up empty - the texts I seek have not shown up in Israel or Rome.

I have disconnected this Ebriaci branch, from the Nagidim of Fustat, until we can locate the necessary texts to lend even the remotest credibility to Pagano being a troubled son of Yosef of Fustat; to date, no such texts have been received. The books in question are in private collections in Rome and Israel.

Regards,

J

Pagano "Ebriaci" (?-1090), ancestor of the Ebriaci family, of Pisa, Italy. He is said to have been a son of Yosef de Fustat (see, e.g., Peerage.org, Descent of Hughes, and Maurice Boddy Pisa Families), but the connection seems uncertain. For a lead on the question, see the responses of Shawn Potter, One Possible Plantagenet Descent from Ancient Judea in soc.genealogy.medieval (Aug. 3, 2003), which suggests the name Ebriaci might derive from a Latin word meaning drunk rather than from the word Hebrew.

(This begs the question though, with a choice between Hebrew - a respected Biblical name - and Drunk, which would you choose as your family name?) Answer: many Italian surnames of the time have their origin in rude jests.

The Pagano Ebriaci da Vecchiano (or Verchionesi) references: - G.Viviani, Le pergamene dell’archivio di Stato di Pisa 1129-1145, Tesi di laurea Università di Pisa, 1964, relatore C.Violante; - Ebriaci [the Hebrew of Pisa] source: Caravale, Mario [(ed). Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani: LVII Giulini – Gonzaga. Rome, 2001; - Emilio Cristiani, "Nobiltà e Popolo nel Comune di Pisa: Dalle Origini del Podestariato alla Signoria dei Donoratico," (Naples, 1962) refers to a member of the Ebriaci family as an "Hebriacus de Hebriacis"; - Maria Luisa Ceccarelli-Lemut, Pisan Consular Families in the Communal Age: The Anfossi and the Ebriaci . in the Eleventh to Thirteenth Centuries, in Thomas W. Blomquist and Maureen F. Mazzaoui(eds), "The Other Tuscany: Essays in the History of Lucca, Pisa and Siena during the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries," (Kalamazoo: 1994) describes the Ebriaci family as judei merchants "involved in ventures in Constantinople and the orient.".

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A response to J. Harlow from Dale Scott 7-27-2020:

The About section of Overview has a note from J Harlow, Curator about his inability to connect Pagano to Jewish ancestors. I imagine I am telling you what you already know, but the About section for his granddaughter references books that indicate a Jewish connection. No idea if they meet his needs.
"the Pagano Ebriaci da Vecchiano (or Verchionesi) are also cited for the wedding July 31, 1144 in Pisa of Sardo Gane, brother of Mary, Queen of Torres, with Susanna, daughter of Precious Lacon Gunale and Constantine Athen - G.Viviani, Le pergamene dell’archivio di Stato di Pisa 1129-1145, Tesi di laurea Università di Pisa, 1964, relatore C.Violante; - Ebriaci [the Hebrew of Pisa] source: Caravale, Mario [(ed). Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani: LVII Giulini – Gonzaga. Rome, 2001; - Emilio Cristiani, "Nobiltà e Popolo nel Comune di Pisa: Dalle Origini del Podestariato alla Signoria dei Donoratico," (Naples, 1962) refers to a member of the Ebriaci family as an "Hebriacus de Hebriacis"; - Maria Luisa Ceccarelli-Lemut, Pisan Consular Families in the Communal Age: The Anfossi and the Ebriaci . in the Eleventh toThirteenth Centuries, in Thomas W. Blomquist and Maureen F. Mazzaoui(eds), "The Other Tuscany: Essays in the History of Lucca, Pisa and Siena during the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries," (Kalamazoo: 1994) describes the Ebriaci family as judei merchants "involved in ventures in Constantinople and the orient.". Sincerely,

dale scott

https://fmg.ac/phocadownload/userupload/foundations1/issue2/098Ebri...
https://fabpedigree.com/s052/f072525.htm
https://www.scribd.com/document/476387554/Ebriaci?irclickid=1qPXIDx...