Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Derby

According to Medlands (see below) she did not marry John de Lacey.

From Medlands:

MARGARET de Quincy (-before 12 Mar 1281). The Annales Londonienses name "Margarete countesse de Ferreres et Eleyne la Zusche et la countesse de Bougham" as the three daughters of "Eleyn countesse de Wynton"[98]. A charter dated 3 Dec 1274 records the homage of "Margaret de Ferariis countess of Derby, eldest daughter and one of the heirs of Roger de Quency earl of Wynton" for her part of the lands "lately held in dower by Alianora de Vaux late countess of Wynton widow of the said Roger"[99]. Inquisitions after a writ "9 Edw I" following the death 15 Apr of "Margaret de Ferrariis countess of Derbeye" name her son “William de Ferrariis...”[100]. m ([1238]) as his second wife, WILLIAM de Ferrers, son of WILLIAM de Ferrers Earl of Derby & his wife Agnes of Chester (-May 1254, bur Merevale Abbey). He succeeded his father in 1247 as Earl of Derby.

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Margaret De Quincy Ferrers
BIRTH 1218
England
DEATH 1281 (aged 62–63)
England
BURIAL
Merevale Abbey
Merevale, North Warwickshire Borough, Warwickshire, England
PLOT Marble family tombs inside Abbey
MEMORIAL ID 4892055

econd wife of William de Ferrers, married 1238.

Margaret was the mother of Robert de Ferrers, William de Ferrers, Joan Ferrers de Berkeley (died in 1309), Agnes and Elizabeth.

Gravesite Details
Photo of some Ferrers family effigies inside abby

Family Members
Parents
Roger de Quincy
1200–1264

Helen Galloway Quincy
unknown–1245

Spouse
William de Ferrers
1193–1254

Siblings
Helen De Quincy La Zouche
1221–1296
Elizabeth de Quincy
1221–1282

Children
Joan Ferrers Berkeley
unknown–1309
Robert de Ferrers
1239–1279
William de Ferrers
1240–1288
Elizabeth Marshall de Ferrers Gruffydd
1240–1297

Margaret was 49 years old when she died.

See "My Lines"

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from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

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William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby

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In 1238, he married Margaret de Quincy (born 1218), daughter of Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester and Helen of Galloway. Bizarrely, Margaret was both the stepmother and stepdaughter of William's daughter, Eleanor. The earl and Margaret had the following children:

Robert de Ferrers, 6th Earl of Derby, his successor. He married:

Mary de Lusignan, daughter of Hugh XI of Lusignan, Count of Angoulême, and niece of King Henry III, by whom he had no issue;

Alianore de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey VI de Bohun, per Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Lines 57-30 & 68-29.

William Ferrers obtained, by gift of Margaret, his mother, the manor of Groby in Leicestershire, assuming the arms of the family of De Quincy. He married:

Anne Durward, daughter of Alan Durward[2]; their son was William de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Groby.

Eleanor, daughter of Matthew Lovaine.

Joan Ferrers (died 19 March 1309) married Thomas de Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley.

Agnes Ferrers married Sir Robert de Muscegros (aka Robert de Musgrove), Lord of Kemerton, Boddington & Deerhurst.

Elizabeth Ferrers, married to:

William Marshal, 2nd Baron Marshal;

Prince Dafydd ap Gruffydd

[edit]References

FMG on William de Ferrers, 5th Earl Derby

Complete Peerage

Sanders, I.J. English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327, 1960

Weis, Frederick. The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, 1997

^ Bland, W., 1887 Duffield Castle: A lecture at the Temperance Hall, Wirksworth Derbyshire Advertiser

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Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Lincoln (c.1206- March 1266), was a wealthy English noblewoman and heiress having inherited suo jure the earldom of Lincoln and honours of Bolingbroke from her mother Hawise of Chester, and acquired a dower third from the extensive earldom of Pembroke following the death of her second husband, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke. Her first husband was John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln, by whom she had two children. He was created Earl of Lincoln by right of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret has been described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century."

Family

Margaret was born in about 1206, the daughter and only child of Robert de Quincy and Hawise of Chester, herself the co-heiress of her brother Ranulf de Blondeville, 6th Earl of Chester. Hawise became suo jure Countess of Chester in April 1231 when her brother resigned the title in her favour.

Her paternal grandfather, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester was one of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta; as a result he was excommunicated by the Church in December 1215. Two years later her father died after having been accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cisterian monk.

Marriages and children

Sometime before 21 June 1221, Margaret married as his second wife, her first husband John de Lacy of Pontefract. The purpose of the alliance was to bring the rich Lincoln and Bolingbroke inheritance of her mother to the de Lacy family. John's first marriage to Alice de l'Aigle had not produced issue; although John and Margaret together had two children:

   * Maud de Lacy (25 January 1223- 1287/10 March 1289), married in 1238 Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester, by whom she had seven children.

* Edmund de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln (died 2 June 1258), married in 1247 Alasia of Saluzzo, daughter of Manfredo III of Saluzzo, by whom he had three children, including Henry de Lacy, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
On 23 November 1232, Hawise of Chester, who received permission from King Henry III, granted the earldom of Lincoln jointly to John and Margaret. John de Lacy was created 1st Earl of Lincoln, by right of his marriage to Margaret, and Margaret became the suo jure Countess of Lincoln. In 1238, Margaret and her husband paid King Henry the large sum of 5,000 pounds to obtain his agreement to the marriage of their daughter Maud to Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester. On 22 July 1240 John de Lacy died. Although he was nominally succeeded by their only son Edmund, Margaret controlled the earldom of Lincoln in lieu of her son who was still in his minority and being brought up at the court of Henry III and Eleanor of Provence. Edmund was never formally invested as earl, and he predeceased his mother by eight years. As the widowed Countess of Lincoln, Margaret was brought into contact with some of the most important people in the county of Lincolnshire. Among these included Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Lincoln, the most significant intellectual in England at the time who recognised Margaret's position as Countess of Lincoln to be legitimate and important, and he viewed Margaret as both patron and peer. He dedicated Les Reules Seynt Robert, his treatise on estate and household management, to her.

She married secondly on 6 January 1242, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke, Lord of Striguil, Lord of Leinster, Earl Marshal of England, one of the ten children of William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke. This marriage, like those of his four brothers, did not produce any children; therefore when he died at Goodrich Castle on 24 November 1245, Margaret inherited a third of the earldom of Pembroke as well as the properties and lordship of Kildare. Her dower third outweighed any of the individual holdings of the 13 different co-heirs of the five Marshal sisters which meant she would end up controlling more of the earldom of Pembroke and lordship of Leinster than any of the other co-heirs; this brought her into direct conflict with her own daughter, Maud whose husband was by virtue of his mother Isabel Marshal one of the co-heirs of the Pembroke earldom. As a result of her quarrels with her daughter, Margaret preferred her grandson Henry who would became the 3rd Earl of Lincoln in 1272. She and her Italian daughter-in-law Alasia of Saluzzo shared in the wardship of Henry who was Margaret's heir, and the relationship between the two women appeared to have been cordial.

Death and legacy

Margaret was a careful overseer of her property and tenants, and gracious in her dealings with her son's children, neighbours and tenants.] She received two papal dispensations in 1251, the first to erect a portable altar; the other so that she could hear mass in the Cisterian monastery. Margaret died in March 1266 at Hampstead. Her death was recorded in the Annals of Worcester and in the Annals of Winchester. She was buried in the Church of the Hospitallers in Clerkenwell.

Margaret was described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century"; the other being Ela, Countess of Salisbury.

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Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Lincoln (c.1206- March 1266), was a wealthy English noblewoman and heiress having inherited suo jure the earldom of Lincoln and honours of Bolingbroke from her mother Hawise of Chester, and acquired a dower third from the extensive earldom of Pembroke following the death of her second husband, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke. Her first husband was John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln, by whom she had two children. He was created Earl of Lincoln by right of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret has been described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century."

Family

Margaret was born in about 1206, the daughter and only child of Robert de Quincy and Hawise of Chester, herself the co-heiress of her brother Ranulf de Blondeville, 6th Earl of Chester. Hawise became suo jure Countess of Chester in April 1231 when her brother resigned the title in her favour.

Her paternal grandfather, Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester was one of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta; as a result he was excommunicated by the Church in December 1215. Two years later her father died after having been accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cisterian monk.

Marriages and children

Sometime before 21 June 1221, Margaret married as his second wife, her first husband John de Lacy of Pontefract. The purpose of the alliance was to bring the rich Lincoln and Bolingbroke inheritance of her mother to the de Lacy family.[3]TJohn's first marriage to Alice de l'Aigle had not produced issue; although John and Margaret together had two children:

   * Maud de Lacy (25 January 1223- 1287/10 March 1289), married in 1238 Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester, by whom she had seven children.

* Edmund de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln (died 2 June 1258), married in 1247 Alasia of Saluzzo, daughter of Manfredo III of Saluzzo, by whom he had three children, including Henry de Lacy, 3rd Earl of Lincoln.
On 23 November 1232, Hawise of Chester, who received permission from King Henry III, granted the earldom of Lincoln jointly to John and Margaret. John de Lacy was created 1st Earl of Lincoln, by right of his marriage to Margaret, and Margaret became the suo jure Countess of Lincoln. In 1238, Margaret and her husband paid King Henry the large sum of 5,000 pounds to obtain his agreement to the marriage of their daughter Maud to Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford, 2nd Earl of Gloucester. On 22 July 1240 John de Lacy died. Although he was nominally succeeded by their only son Edmund, Margaret controlled the earldom of Lincoln in lieu of her son who was still in his minority and being brought up at the court of Henry III and Eleanor of Provence. Edmund was never formally invested as earl, and he predeceased his mother by eight years. As the widowed Countess of Lincoln, Margaret was brought into contact with some of the most important people in the county of Lincolnshire. Among these included Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Lincoln, the most significant intellectual in England at the time who recognised Margaret's position as Countess of Lincoln to be legitimate and important, and he viewed Margaret as both patron and peer. He dedicated Les Reules Seynt Robert, his treatise on estate and household management, to her.

She married secondly on 6 January 1242, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke, Lord of Striguil, Lord of Leinster, Earl Marshal of England, one of the ten children of William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke and Isabel de Clare, 4th Countess of Pembroke. This marriage, like those of his four brothers, did not produce any children; therefore when he died at Goodrich Castle on 24 November 1245, Margaret inherited a third of the earldom of Pembroke as well as the properties and lordship of Kildare. Her dower third outweighed any of the individual holdings of the 13 different co-heirs of the five Marshal sisters which meant she would end up controlling more of the earldom of Pembroke and lordship of Leinster than any of the other co-heirs; this brought her into direct conflict with her own daughter, Maud whose husband was by virtue of his mother Isabel Marshal one of the co-heirs of the Pembroke earldom. As a result of her quarrels with her daughter, Margaret preferred her grandson Henry who would became the 3rd Earl of Lincoln in 1272. She and her Italian daughter-in-law Alasia of Saluzzo shared in the wardship of Henry who was Margaret's heir, and the relationship between the two women appeared to have been cordial.

[edit] Death and legacy

Margaret was a careful overseer of her property and tenants, and gracious in her dealings with her son's children, neighbours and tenants. She received two papal dispensations in 1251, the first to erect a portable altar; the other so that she could hear mass in the Cisterian monastery. Margaret died in March 1266 at Hampstead. Her death was recorded in the Annals of Worcester and in the Annals of Winchester. She was buried in the Church of the Hospitallers in Clerkenwell.

Margaret was described as "one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century"; the other being Ela, Countess of Salisbury.