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About Mabile, dame de Bellême et d'Alençon
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Mabile d'Alençon, Countess of Shrewsbury, Dame de Bellême
Parents: Guillaume "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge
Spouse: Roger II de Montgommery (Montgomerie, Montgomery), the first Earl of Shrewsbury
Ten Children:
1. Roger (uncertain)
2. Robert (married Agnes de Ponthieu)
3. Hugues (Hugh) (killed by Vikings, no children)
4. Roger "le Poitevin" (married Almodis)
5. Philippe
6. Arnoul (married Lafracoth of Munster, Ireland)
7. Emma (nun, abbess)
8. Matilde (married Robert de Mourtaigne)
9. Mabile (married Gervaise Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais)
10. Sibylle (married 1. Robert FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, 2. Jean Sire de Raimes)
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MEDIEVAL LANDS
ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[410]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[411]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[412]. His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[413]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[414]. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[415]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[416]. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy[417], but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[418]. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[419]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William gave him "first of all Arundel castle and the town of Chichester"[420], afterwards creating him Earl of Shrewsbury [1/4] Dec 1074, presumably with the intention of strengthening the defence of the western part of the country against Welsh incursions. As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[421]. Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][422]. He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[423].
m firstly ([1050/54]%29 MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[424]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[425]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[426]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][427]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[428]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[429].
m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis names Adelais, daughter of Everard du Puiset, as second wife of Roger de Montgommery and says that she was "remarkable for her gentleness and piety"[430].
Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children:
1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées[431].
2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[432]. He is referred to as his mother's "first-born son" by Orderic Vitalis, who says his "name is now a byword for his cruelty to the wretched peasantry"[433]. "…Rogerus de Monte Gomeri…Robertus filius Rogeri de Monte Gomeri…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[434]. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées with his brother Roger431, and a charter for Saint Aubin of Angers in [1060/62] without Roger[435], suggesting that the latter had died by then. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][436]. He succeeded his mother in 1079 as Sire de Bellême et d'Alençon. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[437]. He rebelled against William II King of England in 1088, crossed to England but was besieged at Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088 forced to surrender[438]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[439]. He succeeded his father in 1094 in all his possessions in Normandy[440]. He succeeded his younger brother in 1098 as Earl of Shrewsbury after a payment of £3000[441]. He succeeded his father-in-law in Oct 1100 as Comte de Ponthieu. Florence of Worcester records that "Scrobbesbyriensis comes Rotbertus de Beleasmo" rebelled against Henry I King of England in [1101], was deprived of all his honours and estates in England, and retired to Normandy[442]. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[443]. Florence of Worcester records that "Rotbertus de Beleasm" fought with Robert Duke of Normandy against King Henry I at Tinchebrai in [1106], was captured, but later escaped and fled[444]. He helped Helias de Saint-Saens protect Guillaume, son of Robert "Curthose" ex-Duke of Normandy, after Henry I King of England ordered the arrest of the boy[445]. He was arrested in 1112, imprisoned at Cherbourg and all his lands and honours forfeited. He was imprisoned at Wareham Castle, Dorset from Jul 1113[446]. The Annals of Margan record the death “Kal Mai” in 1118 of “Robertus comes de Belesme”[447]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records payments made "in libatione Robti de Belismo" in Dorsetshire, Wiltshire[448]. This suggests a pension or maintenance in some form, although it is not certain that it relates to Robert de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury.
- COMTES de PONTHIEU.
3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey[449]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[450]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him second among his father's sons by his first marriage[451]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "de Mungumeri Hugo" laid waste to "Keredigiaun" in 1072[452]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[453]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[454]. He succeeded his father in 1094 as Earl of Shrewsbury and to all his lands in England and Wales[455]. Florence of Worcester records that "comites Hugo de Legecastra et Hugo de Scrobbesbyria" invaded Anglesey in [1098], mutilating or massacring many of the inhabitants of the island, and that "comes Hugo de Scrobbesbyrie" was killed by an arrow discharged by Magnus King of Norway during a raid on the Welsh coast[456]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Hugh was killed in Anglesey "by pirates from oversea"[457], or (according to Orderic Vitalis) transfixed with a spear by Magnus brother of the king of Norway on the seashore and died instantly[458]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[459].
4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[460]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him third among his father's sons by his first marriage[461]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[462]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[463]. He was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[464]. Comte de la Marche in 1113, de iure uxoris.
m (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[465]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][466]. She succeeded as Ctss de La Marche in 1098.
- COMTES de LA MARCHE.
5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[467]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fourth among his father's sons by his first marriage[468]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[469]. Florence of Worcester records that "Philippum Rogeri Scrobbesbyriensis comitis filium" was imprisoned in [1096] for his part in the conspiracy which planned to place his son on the English throne[470]. He went on the First Crusade with Robert III Duke of Normandy and died at the siege of Antioch[471].
m ---. The name of Philippe's wife is not known.
Philippe & his wife had one child:
a) MATHILDE de Montgommery . Daughter of Philippe, Orderic Vitalis records that she succeeded her paternal aunt as Abbess of Almenèches in 1113[472].
6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[473]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fifth among his father's sons by his first marriage[474]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[475]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[476]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[477]. He obtained the comitatus of Pembroke but was apparently not an Earl. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[478]. He was banished from England with his brother Robert[479]. He went to Scotland and was ancestor of the MONTGOMMERIE family in Scotland[480].
m (1102) LAFRACOTH of Munster, daughter of MURTACH O'Brien King of Munster & his wife ---. She is named daughter "of an Irish king named Murchertach" by Orderic Vitalis[481]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Muirchertach Ua Briain made a marriage alliance with the French and with the Norsemen” in 1102[482].
7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[483]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her first among her father's daughters by his first marriage, and specifies that she was nun and abbess of Almenèches[484]. After the abbey was burnt in [1102], she fled to Saint-Evroul, returning the following year and dying about ten years later[485].
8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[486]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her second among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[487].
m (before 1066) as his first wife, ROBERT Comte de Mortain, son of HERLUIN Vicomte de Contéville & his first wife Herlève --- (after 1040-8 Dec 1090, bur abbaye de Grestain).
9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[488]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her third among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[489]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mabilla" daughter (presumably a mistake for wife) of "Rogerum de Montgommeri" and her daughter "alteram Mabillam uxorem Gervasii" and the latter's son "Hugo de Castro novo" whose proposed marriage with the daughter of Henry I King of England was opposed by "Yvo Carnetensis episcopus" on the grounds of consanguinity, his ancestry being explained by Alberic[490]. "Domna Mabilia uxor domni Gervasii de Novo Castello" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated to [1101/29][491]. "Hugo Castrinovi dominus" confirmed donations to the monastery of Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "uxore mea Alberedi et matre mea senior iam detenta Mabilia et filiis meis Hugone, Gervasio et Galeranno", by charter dated 1132[492].
m GERVAISE Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais, son of ---. "Gervasius miles" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin des Champs with the consent of "Mabilia uxor sua et Hugone primogenito suo" by charter dated [1106/09][493]. "Gervasius et uxor eius Mabilia" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 1107 with the consent of "filiis eorum Hugone, Petro, Gervasio, Guascone et filia Mabilia"[494].
10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery . Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[495]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her fourth among her father's daughters by his first marriage and also names her first husband[496]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records that ”Robertum filium Haymonis, dominum de Astramervilla in Normannia” married “Sibillam sororem Roberti de Belismo, comitis Salopiæ”[497]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified.
m firstly ROBERT FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, son of HAMON & his wife --- (-Newbury Mar 1107).
m secondly JEAN Sire de Raimes .
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Murdered Chateau de Bures-sur-Dives.
Mabel d'Alcenon-Belleme de Talvas [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 4 about 1022 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France. She died 5 on 2 Dec 1079 in France. She married 6 Roger II de Montgomery Earl of Arundel about 1038 in France. Mabel was born 7 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France. She died 8 on 2 Dec 1079.
They had the following children:
F i Mathilde de Montgomery
F ii Rissa de Montgomery
M iii Robert de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury
M iv Roger III de Montgomery Lord of Lancaster
F v Sibyl de Montgomery
M vi Arnulph de Montgomery
http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_847_main.html#C5
MABEL5 TALVAS (William4, Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1) of Alencon, daughter of (4) William4 and Hildeburge TALVAS, was born circa 1026, died on 1 Jan. 1082[1] and was buried on 5 Dec. 1082 in Abbey of Troarn, Eure. She married in 1048, (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom, son of (AAL-4) Roger MONTGOMERY, who was born in 1022, died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Pet, Shrewsbury. [2, 4]
Children: See (AAL-5) Roger de MONTGOMERY, Earl of Shrewsbury
Mabille was also called Maud Talvas, and also Mabel, and also called Mabel d' Alençon (since she was comtesse d'Alençon).
Mabille was "of small height, [grande babillarde], very artificial, strongly inclined to evil, disposed to [enjouce], bold, given to cruel excess" according to her contemporaries William de Jumieges and Orderic Vital.
Mabille died before 5 December 1082.
"Amongst her victims was Hugh de la Roche d'lgé, in the Canton de Belesme, from whom she had wrested his castle on the rock, and had deprived of the inheritance of the lands of his fathers. In the extremity of his distress he undertook a desperate enterprise. With the assistance of his three brothers, men of undaunted courage, he forced an entry by night into the chamber of the Countess (for such was her rank at that time) at a place called Bures, on the Dive, near Froarn, and severed her head from her body as she lay in bed after having taken a bath."
Mabille de Bellême, comtesse d'Alençon was buried in Froarn, Normandy.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p351.htm#i4644 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel b. c 1030, d. 27 Jul 1094 Children Matilda de Montgomery+ d. unknown Sybil de Montgomery+ d. unknown
MABILE
From Medlands:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#GuillaumeBell...
(-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[129]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[130]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[131]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][132]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[133]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[134]. m ([1050/54]%29 ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.
Mabel Talvas F, b. circa 1015, d. 2 December 1079
- Father William II Talvas, Seigneur d'Alencon & Belesme d. bt 1060 - 1070
- Mother Hildeburg d. c 1067
- Mabel Talvas was buried at Abbey of Traorn, Eure, France. She was born circa 1015 at Alencon, Bell, France. She married Roger Montgomerie, Earl of Arundel, son of Hugh Montgomery and Joscelina de Torfulus, in 1048. Mabel Talvas died on 2 December 1079 at Chateau de Bures-sur-Dives, France. Family
- Roger Montgomerie, Earl of Arundel b. b 1030, d. 27 Jul 1094 Children
- Amicia Montgomery+
- Maud de Montgomerie+
- Roger de Montgomerie, Lord Lancaster+ d. 1123
- Robert II d' Alencon, Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury+ b. c 1054, d. 8 May 1131
- Sybil Montgomery+ b. c 1058, d. 1107
- Arnulph Montgomery+ b. c 1066, d. a 1119
Links
- http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p166.htm#i... Citations
- [S877] Unknown author, Europaische Stammtafeln by Isenburg, chart 636, 637, Vol. 3.
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Mabel was the daughter of William I Talvas and his first wife Hildeburg.[1] She was the heiress of her father’s estates, her half-brother Oliver apparently being excluded.[2] She also inherited the remainder of the Belleme honor in 1070 at the death of her uncle Yves, Bishop of Séez and Lord of Bellême.[3] When their father was exiled by her brother Arnulf in 1048 she accompanied him until both were taken in by the Montgomery family. Between 1050-1054 she married Roger II de Montgomery, later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury.[4] Roger II de Montgomery was already a favorite of Duke William and by being given the marriage to Mabel it increased his fortunes even further.[5]
Her husband Roger had not participated in the Norman conquest of England but had remained behind in Normandy as co-regent along with Queen Matilda.[6] He had also contributed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion force.[7] He joined the king in England in 1067 and was rewarded with the earldom of Shropshire and a number of estates to the point that he was one of the largest landholders in the Domesday Book.[1]
She and her husband Roger transferred the church of Saint-Martin of Séez to Evroul and petitioned her uncle, Yves, Bishop of Séez to build a monastery there on lands from her estates. The consecration was in 1061 at which time Mabel made additional gifts.[8] Her character
Of all of Orderic’s female subjects Mabel was the most cunning and treacherous; if not entirely for her own misdeeds then as the mother of Robert de Bellême, who had a reputation for savagery as well as cruelty.[9] In one passage Orderic describes her as "small, very talkative, ready enough to do evil, shrewd and jocular, extremely cruel and daring."[2]
In perpetuating her family’s feud with the Giroie family she set her sights on Arnold de Echauffour, the son of William fitz Giroie who her father had mutilated at his wedding celebration.[a] She obtained part of his estates when she and her husband Roger convinced Duke William to confiscate his lands. In 1063 however, Arnold was promised forgiveness by the Duke and was to have his lands restored. To prevent this Mabel plotted to kill Arnold.[10] She attempted to poison Arnold of Echauffour by placing it in a glass of wine but he declined to drink. Her husband's brother, refreshing himself after a long ride, drank the wine and died shortly thereafter. In the end though she bribed Arnold's chamberlain providing him with the necessary poison, this time being successful.[b][11]
Excepting Theodoric, abbot of the abbey of Saint-Evroul, who she listened to at times, Mabel was hostile to most members of the clergy; but her husband loved the monks at Saint-Evroul so she found it necessary to be more subtle.[2] In an incident in 1064,[12] she deliberately burdened their limited resources by visiting the abbey for extended stays with a large retinue of her soldiers.[c] When rebuked by Theodoric the abbot for her callousness she snapped back that the next time she would visit with an even larger group. The abbot predicted that if she did not repent of her evilness she would suffer great pains and that very evening she did. She left the abbey in great haste as well as in great pain and did not abuse their hospitality again.[13]
Mabel continued her wickedness causing many nobles to lose their lands and become destitute.[3] In 1077 she took the hereditary lands of Hugh Bunel by force.[14] Two years later while resting after a bath, she was murdered in her bed by the same Hugh Bunel[15] Hugh had enlisted the help of his three brothers, gained entry to the castle of Bures on the Dives and struck off her head with his sword. The murderers were pursued but escaped by destroying a bridge behind them.[3] Mabel's murder occurred on 2 December 1079 and she was buried three days later at Troarn.[16] wikipedia
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Mabile d'Alençon, Countess of Shrewsbury, Dame de Bellême
Parents: Guillaume "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge
Spouse: Roger II de Montgommery (Montgomerie, Montgomery), the first Earl of Shrewsbury
Ten Children:
1. Roger (uncertain)
2. Robert (married Agnes de Ponthieu)
3. Hugues (Hugh) (killed by Vikings, no children)
4. Roger "le Poitevin" (married Almodis)
5. Philippe
6. Arnoul (married Lafracoth of Munster, Ireland)
7. Emma (nun, abbess)
8. Matilde (married Robert de Mourtaigne)
9. Mabile (married Gervaise Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais)
10. Sibylle (married 1. Robert FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, 2. Jean Sire de Raimes)
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MEDIEVAL LANDS
ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[410]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[411]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[412]. His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[413]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[414]. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[415]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[416]. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy[417], but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[418]. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[419]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William gave him "first of all Arundel castle and the town of Chichester"[420], afterwards creating him Earl of Shrewsbury [1/4] Dec 1074, presumably with the intention of strengthening the defence of the western part of the country against Welsh incursions. As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[421]. Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][422]. He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[423].
m firstly ([1050/54]%29 MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[424]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[425]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[426]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][427]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[428]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[429].
m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis names Adelais, daughter of Everard du Puiset, as second wife of Roger de Montgommery and says that she was "remarkable for her gentleness and piety"[430].
Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children:
1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées[431].
2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[432]. He is referred to as his mother's "first-born son" by Orderic Vitalis, who says his "name is now a byword for his cruelty to the wretched peasantry"[433]. "…Rogerus de Monte Gomeri…Robertus filius Rogeri de Monte Gomeri…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[434]. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées with his brother Roger431, and a charter for Saint Aubin of Angers in [1060/62] without Roger[435], suggesting that the latter had died by then. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][436]. He succeeded his mother in 1079 as Sire de Bellême et d'Alençon. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[437]. He rebelled against William II King of England in 1088, crossed to England but was besieged at Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088 forced to surrender[438]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[439]. He succeeded his father in 1094 in all his possessions in Normandy[440]. He succeeded his younger brother in 1098 as Earl of Shrewsbury after a payment of £3000[441]. He succeeded his father-in-law in Oct 1100 as Comte de Ponthieu. Florence of Worcester records that "Scrobbesbyriensis comes Rotbertus de Beleasmo" rebelled against Henry I King of England in [1101], was deprived of all his honours and estates in England, and retired to Normandy[442]. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[443]. Florence of Worcester records that "Rotbertus de Beleasm" fought with Robert Duke of Normandy against King Henry I at Tinchebrai in [1106], was captured, but later escaped and fled[444]. He helped Helias de Saint-Saens protect Guillaume, son of Robert "Curthose" ex-Duke of Normandy, after Henry I King of England ordered the arrest of the boy[445]. He was arrested in 1112, imprisoned at Cherbourg and all his lands and honours forfeited. He was imprisoned at Wareham Castle, Dorset from Jul 1113[446]. The Annals of Margan record the death “Kal Mai” in 1118 of “Robertus comes de Belesme”[447]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records payments made "in libatione Robti de Belismo" in Dorsetshire, Wiltshire[448]. This suggests a pension or maintenance in some form, although it is not certain that it relates to Robert de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury.
- COMTES de PONTHIEU.
3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey[449]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[450]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him second among his father's sons by his first marriage[451]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "de Mungumeri Hugo" laid waste to "Keredigiaun" in 1072[452]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[453]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[454]. He succeeded his father in 1094 as Earl of Shrewsbury and to all his lands in England and Wales[455]. Florence of Worcester records that "comites Hugo de Legecastra et Hugo de Scrobbesbyria" invaded Anglesey in [1098], mutilating or massacring many of the inhabitants of the island, and that "comes Hugo de Scrobbesbyrie" was killed by an arrow discharged by Magnus King of Norway during a raid on the Welsh coast[456]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Hugh was killed in Anglesey "by pirates from oversea"[457], or (according to Orderic Vitalis) transfixed with a spear by Magnus brother of the king of Norway on the seashore and died instantly[458]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[459].
4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[460]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him third among his father's sons by his first marriage[461]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[462]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[463]. He was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[464]. Comte de la Marche in 1113, de iure uxoris.
m (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[465]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][466]. She succeeded as Ctss de La Marche in 1098.
- COMTES de LA MARCHE.
5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[467]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fourth among his father's sons by his first marriage[468]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[469]. Florence of Worcester records that "Philippum Rogeri Scrobbesbyriensis comitis filium" was imprisoned in [1096] for his part in the conspiracy which planned to place his son on the English throne[470]. He went on the First Crusade with Robert III Duke of Normandy and died at the siege of Antioch[471].
m ---. The name of Philippe's wife is not known.
Philippe & his wife had one child:
a) MATHILDE de Montgommery . Daughter of Philippe, Orderic Vitalis records that she succeeded her paternal aunt as Abbess of Almenèches in 1113[472].
6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[473]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fifth among his father's sons by his first marriage[474]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[475]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[476]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[477]. He obtained the comitatus of Pembroke but was apparently not an Earl. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[478]. He was banished from England with his brother Robert[479]. He went to Scotland and was ancestor of the MONTGOMMERIE family in Scotland[480].
m (1102) LAFRACOTH of Munster, daughter of MURTACH O'Brien King of Munster & his wife ---. She is named daughter "of an Irish king named Murchertach" by Orderic Vitalis[481]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Muirchertach Ua Briain made a marriage alliance with the French and with the Norsemen” in 1102[482].
7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[483]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her first among her father's daughters by his first marriage, and specifies that she was nun and abbess of Almenèches[484]. After the abbey was burnt in [1102], she fled to Saint-Evroul, returning the following year and dying about ten years later[485].
8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[486]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her second among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[487].
m (before 1066) as his first wife, ROBERT Comte de Mortain, son of HERLUIN Vicomte de Contéville & his first wife Herlève --- (after 1040-8 Dec 1090, bur abbaye de Grestain).
9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[488]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her third among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[489]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mabilla" daughter (presumably a mistake for wife) of "Rogerum de Montgommeri" and her daughter "alteram Mabillam uxorem Gervasii" and the latter's son "Hugo de Castro novo" whose proposed marriage with the daughter of Henry I King of England was opposed by "Yvo Carnetensis episcopus" on the grounds of consanguinity, his ancestry being explained by Alberic[490]. "Domna Mabilia uxor domni Gervasii de Novo Castello" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated to [1101/29][491]. "Hugo Castrinovi dominus" confirmed donations to the monastery of Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "uxore mea Alberedi et matre mea senior iam detenta Mabilia et filiis meis Hugone, Gervasio et Galeranno", by charter dated 1132[492].
m GERVAISE Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais, son of ---. "Gervasius miles" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin des Champs with the consent of "Mabilia uxor sua et Hugone primogenito suo" by charter dated [1106/09][493]. "Gervasius et uxor eius Mabilia" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 1107 with the consent of "filiis eorum Hugone, Petro, Gervasio, Guascone et filia Mabilia"[494].
10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery . Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[495]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her fourth among her father's daughters by his first marriage and also names her first husband[496]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records that ”Robertum filium Haymonis, dominum de Astramervilla in Normannia” married “Sibillam sororem Roberti de Belismo, comitis Salopiæ”[497]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified.
m firstly ROBERT FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, son of HAMON & his wife --- (-Newbury Mar 1107).
m secondly JEAN Sire de Raimes .
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Murdered Chateau de Bures-sur-Dives.
Mabel d'Alcenon-Belleme de Talvas [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 4 about 1022 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France. She died 5 on 2 Dec 1079 in France. She married 6 Roger II de Montgomery Earl of Arundel about 1038 in France. Mabel was born 7 in Alençon, Basse-Normandie, France. She died 8 on 2 Dec 1079.
They had the following children:
F i Mathilde de Montgomery F ii Rissa de Montgomery M iii Robert de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury M iv Roger III de Montgomery Lord of Lancaster F v Sibyl de Montgomery M vi Arnulph de Montgomery
http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_847_main.html#C5
MABEL5 TALVAS (William4, Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1) of Alencon, daughter of (4) William4 and Hildeburge TALVAS, was born circa 1026, died on 1 Jan. 1082[1] and was buried on 5 Dec. 1082 in Abbey of Troarn, Eure. She married in 1048, (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom, son of (AAL-4) Roger MONTGOMERY, who was born in 1022, died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Pet, Shrewsbury. [2, 4]
Children: See (AAL-5) Roger de MONTGOMERY, Earl of Shrewsbury
Mabille was also called Maud Talvas, and also Mabel, and also called Mabel d' Alençon (since she was comtesse d'Alençon).
Mabille was "of small height, [grande babillarde], very artificial, strongly inclined to evil, disposed to [enjouce], bold, given to cruel excess" according to her contemporaries William de Jumieges and Orderic Vital.
Mabille died before 5 December 1082.
"Amongst her victims was Hugh de la Roche d'lgé, in the Canton de Belesme, from whom she had wrested his castle on the rock, and had deprived of the inheritance of the lands of his fathers. In the extremity of his distress he undertook a desperate enterprise. With the assistance of his three brothers, men of undaunted courage, he forced an entry by night into the chamber of the Countess (for such was her rank at that time) at a place called Bures, on the Dive, near Froarn, and severed her head from her body as she lay in bed after having taken a bath."
Mabille de Bellême, comtesse d'Alençon was buried in Froarn, Normandy.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p351.htm#i4644 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel b. c 1030, d. 27 Jul 1094 Children Matilda de Montgomery+ d. unknown Sybil de Montgomery+ d. unknown -------------------- MABILE
From Medlands:
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(-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[129]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[130]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[131]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][132]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[133]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[134]. m ([1050/54]%29 ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.
Mabel Talvas F, b. circa 1015, d. 2 December 1079
Father William II Talvas, Seigneur d'Alencon & Belesme d. bt 1060 - 1070 Mother Hildeburg d. c 1067 Mabel Talvas was buried at Abbey of Traorn, Eure, France. She was born circa 1015 at Alencon, Bell, France. She married Roger Montgomerie, Earl of Arundel, son of Hugh Montgomery and Joscelina de Torfulus, in 1048. Mabel Talvas died on 2 December 1079 at Chateau de Bures-sur-Dives, France. Family
Roger Montgomerie, Earl of Arundel b. b 1030, d. 27 Jul 1094 Children
Amicia Montgomery+ Maud de Montgomerie+ Roger de Montgomerie, Lord Lancaster+ d. 1123 Robert II d' Alencon, Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury+ b. c 1054, d. 8 May 1131 Sybil Montgomery+ b. c 1058, d. 1107 Arnulph Montgomery+ b. c 1066, d. a 1119 Links
http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p166.htm#i... Citations
[S877] Unknown author, Europaische Stammtafeln by Isenburg, chart 636, 637, Vol. 3. _________________________
Mabel was the daughter of William I Talvas and his first wife Hildeburg.[1] She was the heiress of her father’s estates, her half-brother Oliver apparently being excluded.[2] She also inherited the remainder of the Belleme honor in 1070 at the death of her uncle Yves, Bishop of Séez and Lord of Bellême.[3] When their father was exiled by her brother Arnulf in 1048 she accompanied him until both were taken in by the Montgomery family. Between 1050-1054 she married Roger II de Montgomery, later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury.[4] Roger II de Montgomery was already a favorite of Duke William and by being given the marriage to Mabel it increased his fortunes even further.[5]
Her husband Roger had not participated in the Norman conquest of England but had remained behind in Normandy as co-regent along with Queen Matilda.[6] He had also contributed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion force.[7] He joined the king in England in 1067 and was rewarded with the earldom of Shropshire and a number of estates to the point that he was one of the largest landholders in the Domesday Book.[1]
She and her husband Roger transferred the church of Saint-Martin of Séez to Evroul and petitioned her uncle, Yves, Bishop of Séez to build a monastery there on lands from her estates. The consecration was in 1061 at which time Mabel made additional gifts.[8] Her character
Of all of Orderic’s female subjects Mabel was the most cunning and treacherous; if not entirely for her own misdeeds then as the mother of Robert de Bellême, who had a reputation for savagery as well as cruelty.[9] In one passage Orderic describes her as "small, very talkative, ready enough to do evil, shrewd and jocular, extremely cruel and daring."[2]
In perpetuating her family’s feud with the Giroie family she set her sights on Arnold de Echauffour, the son of William fitz Giroie who her father had mutilated at his wedding celebration.[a] She obtained part of his estates when she and her husband Roger convinced Duke William to confiscate his lands. In 1063 however, Arnold was promised forgiveness by the Duke and was to have his lands restored. To prevent this Mabel plotted to kill Arnold.[10] She attempted to poison Arnold of Echauffour by placing it in a glass of wine but he declined to drink. Her husband's brother, refreshing himself after a long ride, drank the wine and died shortly thereafter. In the end though she bribed Arnold's chamberlain providing him with the necessary poison, this time being successful.[b][11]
Excepting Theodoric, abbot of the abbey of Saint-Evroul, who she listened to at times, Mabel was hostile to most members of the clergy; but her husband loved the monks at Saint-Evroul so she found it necessary to be more subtle.[2] In an incident in 1064,[12] she deliberately burdened their limited resources by visiting the abbey for extended stays with a large retinue of her soldiers.[c] When rebuked by Theodoric the abbot for her callousness she snapped back that the next time she would visit with an even larger group. The abbot predicted that if she did not repent of her evilness she would suffer great pains and that very evening she did. She left the abbey in great haste as well as in great pain and did not abuse their hospitality again.[13]
Mabel continued her wickedness causing many nobles to lose their lands and become destitute.[3] In 1077 she took the hereditary lands of Hugh Bunel by force.[14] Two years later while resting after a bath, she was murdered in her bed by the same Hugh Bunel[15] Hugh had enlisted the help of his three brothers, gained entry to the castle of Bures on the Dives and struck off her head with his sword. The murderers were pursued but escaped by destroying a bridge behind them.[3] Mabel's murder occurred on 2 December 1079 and she was buried three days later at Troarn.[16] wikipedia _________________________________________
Mabel de Bellême From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mabel de Bellême (a.k.a. Mabel Talvas) (died 1079), Dame de Alençon, de Séez, and Bellême, Countess of Shrewsbury and Lady of Arundel. She was a member of the House of Bellême.
Mabel was the daughter of William I Talvas and his first wife Hildeburg. She was the heiress of her father’s estates, her half-brother Oliver apparently being excluded. She also inherited the remainder of the Belleme honor in 1070 at the death of her uncle Yves, Bishop of Séez and Lord of Bellême. When their father was exiled by her brother Arnulf in 1048 she accompanied him until both were taken in by the Montgomery family. Between 1050-1054 she married Roger II de Montgomery, later 1st Earl of Shrewsbury. Roger II de Montgomery was already a favorite of Duke William and by being given the marriage to Mabel it increased his fortunes even further.
Her husband Roger had not participated in the Norman conquest of England but had remained behind in Normandy as co-regent along with William's wife, Matilda of Flanders. He had also contributed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion force. He joined the king in England in 1067 and was rewarded with the earldom of Shropshire and a number of estates to the point that he was one of the largest landholders in the Domesday Book.
She and her husband Roger transferred the church of Saint-Martin of Séez to Evroul and petitioned her uncle, Yves, Bishop of Séez to build a monastery there on lands from her estates. The consecration was in 1061 at which time Mabel made additional gifts.
Her character
Of all of Orderic’s female subjects Mabel was the most cunning and treacherous; if not entirely for her own misdeeds then as the mother of Robert de Bellême, who had a reputation for savagery as well as cruelty. In one passage Orderic describes her as "small, very talkative, ready enough to do evil, shrewd and jocular, extremely cruel and daring."
In perpetuating her family’s feud with the Giroie family she set her sights on Arnold de Echauffour, the son of William fitz Giroie who her father had mutilated at his wedding celebration. She obtained part of his estates when she and her husband Roger convinced Duke William to confiscate his lands. In 1063 however, Arnold was promised forgiveness by the Duke and was to have his lands restored. To prevent this Mabel plotted to kill Arnold. She attempted to murder Arnold of Echauffour by poisoning a glass of wine but he declined to drink. Her husband's brother, refreshing himself after a long ride, drank the wine and died shortly thereafter. In the end though she bribed Arnold's chamberlain providing him with the necessary poison, this time being successful.
Excepting Theodoric, abbot of the abbey of Saint-Evroul, who she listened to at times, Mabel was hostile to most members of the clergy; but her husband loved the monks at Saint-Evroul so she found it necessary to be more subtle. In an incident in 1064, she deliberately burdened their limited resources by visiting the abbey for extended stays with a large retinue of her soldiers. When rebuked by Theodoric the abbot for her callousness she snapped back that the next time she would visit with an even larger group. The abbot predicted that if she did not repent of her evilness she would suffer great pains and that very evening she did. She left the abbey in great haste as well as in great pain and did not abuse their hospitality again.
Mabel continued her wickedness causing many nobles to lose their lands and become destitute. In 1077 she took the hereditary lands of Hugh Bunel by force. Two years later while coming out of her bath, she was killed by some men who had crept into the castle. Hugh had enlisted the help of his three brothers, gained entry to the castle of Bures on the Dives and struck off her head with his sword. The murderers were pursued but escaped by destroying a bridge behind them. Mabel's murder occurred on 2 December 1079 and she was buried three days later at Troarn.
Epitaph Her epitaph is notable as an example of monks bowing more to “the partiality of her friends than to her own merits":
Sprung from the noble and the brave, Here Mabel finds a narrow grave. But, above all woman’s glory, Fills a page in famous story. Commanding, eloquent, and wise, And prompt to daring enterprise; Though slight her form, her soul was great, And, proudly swelling in her state, Rich dress, and pomp, and retinue, Lent it their grace and houours due. The border’s guard, the country’s shield, Both love and fear her might revealed, Till Hugh, revengeful, gained her bower, In dark December’s midnight hour. Then saw the Dive’s o’erflowing stream The ruthless murderer’s poignard gleam. Now friends, some moments kindly spare, For her soul’s rest to breathe a prayer!
Mabel de Talvis was born, the daughter of Hildeburg and William. She had one son and two daughters with Roger, Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY. She died on December 2, 1079.
Birth of Son
Her son Robert of Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury was born in 1052.
Robert of Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY
1052–1130
1052
1067
Death of Mother
Her mother Hildeburg passed away in 1067.
Hildeburg
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1067
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1070
Death of Father
Her father William II, Signeur d'Alencon and Belesme passed away in 1070.
William II, Signeur d'Alencon and Belesme Talvis
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ABT 1070
2 Dec
1079
Death
Mabel de Talvis died on December 2, 1079.
2 DEC 1079
Countess of Shrewsbury and Lady of Arundel
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Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
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Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
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Mortagne, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
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St Germain De Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France
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Marche, Poitou, France
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