Lijntijen Matteisen Kunders

Lijntijen Elin "Helene" Matteisen Dohrs Kunders

BIRTH 1650
DEATH 1729 (aged 78–79)
BURIAL Burial Details Unknown
MEMORIAL ID 208576653 · View Source

Elin or Lentgen MATTEIESEN OR TYSON OR STREEPER was born 1 in 1650 in Kalden Kirchen, Rhineland, Prussia. She was christened on 26 May 1650 in Goch, Rhineland, Prussia, Germany. She died before 1729 in Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She married Thones (Dennis) KUNDERS (CUNRADS) HECKERS on 31 May 1677 in Krefelt, Rhineland, Prussia.

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Category:Concord%2C_sailed_July_1683 Category:German_Immigrants_to_Pennsylvania Category:Germantown%2C_Pennsylvania

Biography ==Lijntijen was born about 1650. She married Tonis Kuners of Gladbach in 1677. She emigrated to Province of Pennsylvania as the spouse of Thones Kunders in 1683 aboard the Concord and was one of the 13 founding families of Germantown.

The Descendants of Paulus and Gertrude Kusters edited by Jean M. White says of her parents:
..."Thiess Doors baptized 12 September 1614 in the Catholic Church in Kaldenkirchen, was the son of Peter Dohrs/Doormans and Lysgen (Elizabeth) Grietes. Thiess' name appears in an article about the persecutionand suffering of the Mennonites in the Jurich-Berg Historical Journalunder the surname Dahrs, Dahrmans, Peters and Peterschen which indicates that his father's name was Peter."... "Neesgen (Agnes)...was also born in Kaldenkirchen around 1616/1618. Nothing is known about her parents or her childhood. After her marriage to Theis Doors which probably occurred around 1635-40, they became parents of eleven children."<ref>The Descendants of Paulus and GertrudeKusters of Kaldenkirchen, Germany and Germantown, Pennsylvania Jean M. White, editor published by The Caster Association of America, 1991 p. 48</ref> The Descendants of Paulus and Gertrude Kusters edited by Jean M. White says of Lijntijen: "6. Helene/Lijntijen Theisson, born about 1650, baptized 20 May 1670 Goch Mennonite Church ; married Tonis/Thones Kunders (Dennis Cunders) 31 May 1677, Krefeld Reformed Church; came to Germantown in 1683."<ref>The Descendants of Paulus and Gertrude Kusters of Kaldenkirchen, Germany and Germantown, Pennsylvania Jean M. White, editor published by The Caster Association of America, 1991 p. 51</ref>

Birth

: Birth: <ref>Niepoth: Page 97</ref> :: Date: ABT 1650 :: SDATE 1 JUL 1650:: Place: Kaldenkirchen, , , Germany<ref>Source: #S199 TMPLT FIELD Name: Page</ref>

Christening

: Christening: <ref>Niepoth: Page 97</ref> :: Date: 20 MAY 1670:: Place: Goch Menn Church<ref>Source: #S199 TMPLT FIELD Name:Page</ref>

Marriage

Although the Conrad book states the wife of Thonis Kunders was Elin,supposed to have been a sister of William Streypers <ref>Conrad: p. 6.</ref>, I think this in error. I suggestthat Helene Lijntijen Doors (or some variant surname thereof) was married to Thones Kunders in 1677 according to Niepoth. Priest-412 20:34, 19 December 2015 (EST)

... in the Mennonite congregation at Goch, on 25 May 1670, therefore at the age of about twenty years, was baptized: Leentien Doormans, spinster, daughter of Thies Doormans. At the same time there was a young man in Goch who was baptized there, 9 July 1673: Theunis Koenders, bachelor, son of Koendert Lensen. Now is it any wonder that on the first Sunday after Trinity (May 31) Anno Domini 1677 in Krefeld at the Reformed Church, the bans of marriage were published for Tonis Kuners of Gladbach and Lentgen Mattheisen (spinster) of Kaldenkirchen. She is indeed the daughter, baptized in Goch, of Theis Doors or Doormand, who is named Lijnijen Teisen in the Quaker wedding document. <ref>Niepoth: Page 97</ref>

The Jordan reference states The maiden name of his wife, Ellen, has not been ascertained. <ref>Jordan: p. 1474.</ref><ref>Source: #FN01 Elin vs. Helene. </ref>
The Roberts reference also presents evidence that the spouse of ThonesKunders is not Elin Streypers but Helene Doors:

"Besides the seven members of the Isacks op den Graeff family who signed the marriage certificate of 1681, there are twelve other Dutch Quakers of Krefeld and Pennsylvania whose signatures are on it. One of these was Tunnes (?) Keunen, as he signed his name on the certificate; or Tünis Künders, as it is said to appear in other Krefeld sources; or Thones Kunders, as he was better known in his transatlantic home. Nearly opposite his on the certificate, is the name of lijntijen teissen, who was Thones' wife. Lijntijen is a diminutive of Helena and Magdalena; and an American descendant of Thones and his wife,says of them: 'Among the number on the ship "Concord" was Thones Kunders, a man at that time presumably of twenty-five or thirty years of age, and his wife, Elin, supposed to have been a sister of William Streypers, the latter being also one of the emigrants.' Other Pennsylvania writers have referred to Kunder's wife as one of Streyper's sisters; but Elin (Ellen), like Lijntijen, is a form of Helen or Helena, and of Magdalena (the Hebrew Magdala). <ref name="Roberts"> Roberts: p. 32.</ref>

The 1681 marriage certificate refers to the Krefeld wedding of Dirck op den Graeff and Nolcken Vijten. <ref name="Niepoth"> Niepoth: p. 88.</ref> The surname of teissenis a variant spelling of her father's first name Theis or Matthias. The surname was usually created by combining the father's first name and sen or son. The father of Lijntijen is Matteis Peters (Dohrs) Doors.

Marriage [[Wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage|banns]] published 31 May 1677. <ref>Niepoth: Page 97</ref>
Note: The date of the Banns is not necessarily the date of the marriage.

Immigration

Lijntijen, her spouse Thones, and their three children immigrated to the New World, landing in Philadelphia, aboard the "Concord," which departed from London July 24, 1683. Thirteen families and 33 people came together from Krefeld, a city of the Lower Rhine in Germany, close to the Dutch border.

Sources

Books

1. Conrad, Henry C. Thones Kunders and his children # Jordan, John W., ed. Colonial Families of Philadelphia # Niepoth, Wilhelm. The Ancestry of the Thirteen Krefeld Emigrants of 1683# Roberts, Clarence V. Ancestry of Clarence V. Roberts & Frances A. (Walton)Roberts (Wiliam F. Fell Company, 1940.)
   

• Source: S199 Abbreviation: Ancestry.com Title: Dominique Z. Delphine, <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i> Subsequent Source Citation Format: Dominique Z. Delphine, <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i> BIBL Dominique Z. Delphine. <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i>. TMPLT TID 0 FIELD Name: Footnote VALUE Dominique Z. Delphine, <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i> FIELD Name: ShortFootnote VALUE Dominique Z. Delphine, <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i> FIELD Name: Bibliography VALUE Dominique Z. Delphine. <i>CABLE-BUCHER-HAWBAKER-ULERY-KESTER-PRIEST - STAFFORD - SCANLAND-PRICE - HAPNER</i>. TMPLT FIELD Name: Page
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• Source: S86 Abbreviation: Ancestry Family Trees Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Repository: #R1 Paranthetical: Y Page: Ancestry Family Tree Quality or Certainty of Data: 3 Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=69087466&pid... * Repository: R1 Name: Ancestry.com Address: Ancestry.com Name: Ancestry.com FN01 This name of Ellen has possibly been confused with Helene and other researchers mistakenly linked to Elin Streypers based on her first name.Priest-412 20:34, 19 December 2015 (EST)
  

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Confusion on Thone's wife Posted 05 Apr 2011 by elizabeth wahl Hi Barb and all,

At 11:27 AM 8/25/00 EDT, Swinfield9ix.netcom.com

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