Judith Rogers

• Speculated as the same as Judith French, (born 1605), daughter of Richard French and his 2nd wife Alice 'Ales' French.
• Speculated as daughter of George Kinge, Sr & Joane Jean Kinge

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Judith (unknown)

• Gender: Female
• Birth: 1615 - England
• Death: February 11, 1661 (45-46) - Weymouth, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America
• Place of Burial: Weymouth Cemetery, Weymouth, Suffolk, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America
• Parents: unknown
• Spouse: Dea. John "of Weymouth" Rogers (1614-11 Feb 1661) - married before 1637, "of" Weymouth
• Immigration: at age 20 in 1635

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Biography

She survived her husband and is named in his 1661 will.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/53728560/judith-rogers?

Birth year is an estimate.

She died after Apr 30,1660.

No independent evidence exists that her maiden name was French, but it has been postulated that she was the Judith French, daughter of Richard French and Alice Tomsin French, baptized at Misterton, Co.Somerset on Feb 2,1605/6.

If so, she was the sister of Mary (French) Randall of Weymouth, baptized at Misterton on Dec 26,1611.

A Judith French came aboard the "Unnamed Ship That Sailed From Weymouth, Dorset That Landed 5 May 1635." She was listed "servant of Joseph HULL, age 20[sic]."

Children:

1. John Rogers Jr,
2. Mary Rogers Rane(s),
3. Lydia Rogers White,
4. Hannah Rogers Pratt Bailey, and
5. Sarah Rogers.

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Trask, William B. Abstracts from the Earliest Wills on Record in the County of Suffolk, Mass. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (1848-1866, 1876-1878) 10:265-66.

The will of 'Deacon John Rogers', dated 8:12:1660 (8 Feb 1660/1) mentions his 'beloved wife, Judith', his 'sonne, John Rogers' (not yet married), his 'dau. Mary Rane', his 'dau., Liddia Whitte', his 'dau. Hannah Pratt', his 'dau. Sarah', his 'sonne in law, Joseph White', his 'sonne in law John Rane and 'Samuell Pratt' (also a son-in-law). The inventory was taken 20:12:1660 (20 Feb 1660/1)

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Disputed origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-408222

Who was Judith, wife of John Rogers?

Theory #1: French

In the book, "The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton 1878-1908/Part 1 The Ancestry of Warren Francis Kempton 1817-1879" by Dean Crawford Smith, it reads:

Deacon John Rogers, linen weaver, born say 1610; died Weymouth, MA 11 Febraury 1660; married Judith (___), living 30 April 1660 when her husband's will was proved (Suffolk Probate #264). It has been suggested that Judith was the Judith French, age 20, who embarked for New England at Weymouth 20 March 1635/36 with Joseph Huss, minister of Somerset, in whose family she was a servant (Hotten's Lists, 285). If this is the case, then John Rogers must have met and married her in a very short time after his arrival in New England. No independent evidence supports this identification.

When John and Judith's eldest daughter, Mary, took administration on her late husband John Rane's estate, she was joined by her brother John Rogers, and Stephen French, of Weymouth, as surety. The involvement of Stephen French has fuelled speculation that Judith was a French.

Speculation from The Great Migration Begins and The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton, summarized by Janet Bjorndahl:

It has been suggested that Stephen French, Jacob French, Mary (French) Randall and possibly Judith (____) Rogers of Weymouth, Massachusetts were the children of Richard French of Misterton, Somerset, England. Records, including the wills of Stephen and Jacob, imply that at least the first three were siblings, half-siblings or otherwise closely related. Given that their names are the same as the names of four of Richard French's children baptized in Misterton, it seems a reasonable speculation that the four in Weymouth may have been the children of Richard French of Misterton.

According to The Great Migration Begins, another possible sibling is Margaret (____) Sales, wife of Edward Sales, although it seems more likely that it was Edward's third wife (name unknown) who was a sibling (given that the reference in Stephen French's will was made in 1678/9, long after Edward's first wife Margaret had been banished). If John Rogers' wife Judith was one of the siblings, it is possible that she was also Edward's third wife, since she was widowed in 1660/1 and Edward's second wife died in 1664.

However, the identification of John Rogers' wife Judith with Judith French, daughter of Richard French of Misterton is a bit problematic. Part of the basis for the speculation that Judith (____) Rogers was a French is that there was a Judith French who immigrated to New England as a servant in the family of Rev. Joseph Huss, minister of Somerset, in 1635/36. This Judith's age was given as 20 in 1635/6. Richard's daughter Judith was baptized 1605/6 and therefore would have been 10 years too old to be the Judith French who immigrated, unless there was an error in the age of the immigrant. It is, of course, possible that the Judith French who was baptized 1605/6 died and a younger sister was given the same name, but there appears to be no record of this, and a younger sister would have had to be a twin of Jacob French (baptized Aug 1615) in order to be 20 in 1635/6.

Theory #2: King

The only reference to the "King" family is with John Rogers of Marshfield. His son John Rogers Jr, married Rhoda King. In searching the records in searching "History of Weymouth, Massachusetts Weymouth, Mass.: Weymouth Historical Society, under direction of the town, 1923, 1845 pgs." in the family genealogy section under the King Family there is no mention of a Judith King. In the same publication one can find Stephen French with a sister Mary Randall and sons Stephen and Josiah. Again no mention of a Judith.

Therefore, there is no confirmation of Judith's last name.

In "The John Rogers families in Plymouth and vicinity " Page 8, It says Judith is probably John Rogers 2nd wife.

Conclusion

There is not enough evidence to give Judith either surname. Until more evidence is found Judith should be Unknown.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=53728560

Birth: unknown Death: unknown

She died after Apr 30,1660.

No independent evidence exists that her maiden name was French, but it has been postulated that she was the Judith French, daughter of Richard French and Alice Tomsin French, baptized at Misterton, Co.Somerset on Feb 2,1605/6.

If so, she was the sister of Mary (French) Randall of Weymouth, baptized at Misterton on Dec 26,1611.

A Judith French came aboard the "Unnamed Ship That Sailed From Weymouth, Dorset That Landed 5 May 1635." She was listed "servant of Joseph HULL, age 20[sic]."

Children: John Rogers Jr, Mary Rogers Rane(s), Lydia Rogers White, Hannah Rogers Pratt Bailey, and Sarah Rogers.

Family links:

Spouse:

1. John Rogers (____ - 1661)*

Children

1. John Rogers (1638 - 1710)*
2. Lydia Rogers White (1642 - ____)*
3. Hannah Rogers Bailey (1644 - 1724)*

One unsupported assertion suggests that she was buried in Barbados. Burial place removed until support given for this assertion.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MAWORCES/2002-07/1026...

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http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart067/

Judith French was the sister of Stephen French, FFA Chart #7. She m. John Rogers [1] ca. 1636 in Weymouth, Norfolk Co., MA [6]. Judith was b. ca. 1615/16 at Chelmsford, Essex, England [6]. Judith was b. 1605 in Misterton, Somerset, England Judith emigrated from England to Weymouth, MA, on 19 Mar 1635, age 20, a servant. Judith is the only one with the surname French on this arrival, and there are no Rogers listed.

Judith’s lineage continues with Lydia Rogers (2), b. 17 Mar 1642 in Weymouth, m. Joseph White on 19 Sep 1660; Mary White (3), m. Ebenezer Hill; David Hill (4), m. Sarah Thayer; Mary Hill (5), m. John Aldrich; Penelope Aldrich (6), m. Thomas Bowen; Nathan Bowen (7), m. Rachel Stoddard; Ezra Bowen (8), m. Lois Aldrich; Los Bowen (9), m. Preston Peake [4].

Also, Lydia Rogers (2), m. Joseph White; Thomas White (3), m. Mehitable Thornton; Mehitable White (4), m. Benjamin Darling; Thomas Darling (5), m. Rachel White; Rachel Darling (6), m. Reuben Holbrook 1777 in Menden, MA; Anna Holbrook (7), m. Samuel Fairbanks in 1801 of Tioga Co., NY; Samuel Fairbanks (8), m. Sarah Mantanye 1823; Susan Fairbanks (9), m. William Rudy; Olive Rudy (9); Mary Leonhardt (10); Herman Weiland (11) [7].

Mary French was another sister of Stephen French, and she m. Robert Randall.

This interchange again raises the questions about Deacon John Rogers of Weymouth MA, his parentage, and his marrige(s). In order to provide a point of reference for further discussion, I will quote from "The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton 1878-1908 Part I" 1996 by Dean Crawford Smith, CG and edited by Melinde Lutz Sanborn, F.A.S.G. published by the New England Historic Genealogical Society. Nothing more recent than this has come to my attention.

"Deacon JOHN ROGERS, linen weaver, born say 1610, died Weymouth, MA 11 February 1660/1 ((Vital Records of Weymouth, Massachusetts To The Year 1850, 3 vols. NEHGS 1910 2:334); married JUDITH (_____), living 30 April 1660 when her husband's will was proved (Suffolk Probate #264). It has been suggested that Judith was Judith French, age 20, who embarked for New England at Weymouth 20 March 1635/6 with Joseph Hull, minister of Somerset, in whose family she was a servant (Hotten's Lists, 285). If this is the case, then John Rogers must have met and married her in a very short time after his arrival in New England. No independent evidence supports this identification." His will mentions his wife as "Judeth." Their first child John was born about 1639.

Much more about Deacon John Rogers and Judith appears in Volume 19 West Country Ancestries, 1620-1643 Part III "Search for the Passengers of the MARY & JOHN 1630." 1993 The Mary & John Clearing House. Many of the key conclusions in this material are qualified as to their proof.

None of the above references has proved the following

1. That Deacon John Rogers was a son of any Thomas Rogers.

2. That Deacon John Rogers married Anna Churchman on 16 April 1639.

3. That Deacon John Rogers married Judith (FRENCH?) on 16 April 1639.

References

1. "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F45Y-P8G : Sun Mar 10 20:19:21 UTC 2024), Entry for Lydia Rogers and John Rogers Rodgers, 27 March 1642.
2. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/53728560/judith-rogers?
3. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart007/ Stephen French sister [sic - unproven], Judith, also immigrated to America. She was born about 1615 and married Deacon John Rogers ca. 1635. From “More Passengers for New England”, she is listed as bound for New England from Weymouth on 20 Mar 1635 as a servant to Joseph Hall. Her age is listed as 20, and is therefore 15 years younger than her brother. Joseph Hall was a minister of Somerset, aged 40, immigrating with his large family. No one on this ship (106 passengers) was named Rogers. Judith and John had five children; only one was a son, John. Mary, b. ca. 1636, John b. 1638, Hannah, b. 1640, Lydia, b. 1642, Sarah, b. ca. 1644 [21].
4. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LT7X-L27 cites
   1. Banks, Topographical Dictionary, p. 42, 49.
   2. William B. Trask, "Abstract of the Earliest Wills on Record in the County of Suffolk, MA," NEHGS Register (July 1856)
   3. Charles H. Pope, The Pioneers of Massachusetts, 1900
   4. Josiah H. Drummond, The John Rogers Families in Plymouth & Vicinity; Portland, ME: Unknown (1895)
   5. John Cox Underwood, Lineage of the Rogers Family, NY: Press of W. E. Rudge (1911)
   6. Josiah H. Drummond, John Rogers of Marshfield & Some of his Descendants. West Hanover, MA: R.B. Ellis (1898)
   7. James Savage, Gen. Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England
   8. George Chamberlain, History of Weymouth
   9. Dean Crawford Smith, The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempen? [check]
   10. Suffolk Probate Records, #264
   11. Descendants of Thomas White of Weymouth, MA
   12. Vital Records of Massachusetts to 1850; NEGHS (online database)
5. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/53728556/john_rogers "He was a Linen Weaver of Weymouth,MA. His origins are not known to me at this time. It has been postulated in an unsourced recent (1990) genealogy that he was born in 1614 in Moulsham, Chelmsford Borough, Essex, England. But this genealogy gives no further detail."
6. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-408222
7. Reference: FamilySearch Family Tree - SmartCopy: Jan 20 2018, 22:49:06 UTC
8. Reference: FamilySearch Family Tree - SmartCopy: Jan 20 2018, 22:49:06 UTC
9. Removed unsupported baptism data of February 15, 1606 Location: Cold Norton, Essex, England (United Kingdom)