Joscelina "de Torfulus" (probably de Saint-Vaase-Equiqueville)

b. circa 975, d. after 1068 (death also center 02/07/1050)

Note: two generations of Montgommery's married two women named Josceline from the family of Gunnora de Crepon. These two are often confused with each other, as well as with other women who may have been named Josceline who are in the second or third generation of the de Crepon family.

Here, we follow Charles Cawley in the Medieval Lands database and name the presumably elder Josceline (who married Roger de Montgommery, the father) as the daughter of Sainsfrida de Crepon (sister of Gunnora) who married the forrester often given the name of Touroude d'Equiqueville (de St. Vaast). This Josceline was sometimes known as "de Torfulus." Alternately, some accounts name her as the daughter of Thorold de Pont-Audemer, who married yet another of Gunnora's sisters, probably Wevia de Crepon. There is not agreement among the historians as to which of the sisters of Gunnora married which of these men, but it seems fairly clear that this Josceline was a daughter of one of the sisters who married a man named Thorold (Torfulus) married to Sainsfrida.

The younger Josceline II who married Hugh (Hugues) de Montgomery, son of Roger and Josceline I, is positioned here as Josceline de Bolbec, daughter of Osbern de Bolbec who married another of Gunnora's sisters, probably a younger sister Avelina de Crepon whose daughter would have been close to a generation younger in age than her cousin Josceline I

Daughter of Seinsfrida de Crépon and her husband (the Forrester)

Spouse: Roger I de Montgommery, Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois

Children:

• 1. Hugh (who married Joscline's cousin Josceline de Bolbec)
• 2. Robert
• 3. Roger II (married Mabile d'Alençon and Adelais de Puiset)
• 4. Guillaume
• 5. Gilbert
• 6. Amiera's parent (uncertain)

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MEDIEVAL LANDS by Charles Cawley (updated here on 28 Feb 2015)

Chapter 1. EARLY NORMAN FAMILIES of VIKING ORIGIN

Four sisters and one brother, presumably of Viking origin. Their parents are not known, and there is no guarantee that they all shared the same father and mother:

1. SAINSFRIDA [Senfrie] . Guillaume de Jumièges records that "in domo forestarii...hospiti suo...uxorem suam Sainfriam" rejected the advances of Richard I Comte [de Normandie] and sent “Gunnorem sororem suam” to his bed in her place[1596]. She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[1597]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Seufriam" as sister of "Gunnor uxor…Richardi Normannis ducem"[1598]. m ---. The name of Sainsfrida's husband is not known. Sainsfrida and her husband had one child:

a) JOSCELINE . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Iosceline" as daughter of "Seufriam"[1599]. Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[1600]. m ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery, son of --- (-before [1048]).

2. GUNNORA ([950]-5 Jan 1031). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "in domo forestarii...hospiti suo...uxorem suam Sainfriam" rejected the advances of Richard I Comte [de Normandie] and sent “Gunnorem sororem suam” to his bed in her place[1601]. She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[1602]. It appears from Dudo de Saint-Quentin and Robert de Torigny[1603] that Gunnora was Richard I's mistress before she married him. Guillaume of Jumièges records that Richard married “Gunnor ex nobilissima Danorum prosapia ortam”, in the sentence which follows the record of the death of Richard´s first wife[1604]. According to Robert de Torigny, the marriage took place to legitimise Richard and Gunnora's son Robert to permit his appointment as Bishop of Rouen[1605]. The necrology of Saint-Père-en-Vallée records the death "Non Jan" of "Gonnoridis…comitissa Normannie"[1606]. m ([before 989]) as his second wife, RICHARD I “Sans Peur" Comte [de Normandie], son of GUILLAUME Comte [ de Normandie] & his first wife Sprota --- (Fécamp [932]-Fécamp 20 Nov 996, bur Fécamp).

3. HERFAST . His parentage is confirmed by Guillaume of Jumièges who records the murder of [his son] “Osbernus...procurator principalis domus, Herfasti Gunnoris comitissæ fratris filius“[1607]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Osbernus Herfasti filius” was “de pago Calcegio oriundus”, although in the context of a passage which is anachronistic[1608]. m ---. The name of Herfast's wife is not known. Herfast & his wife had two children:

a) OSBERN de Crépon (-murdered Vandreuil [1038/42]). Orderic Vitalis records that “Osbernus Herfasti filius” was “de pago Calcegio oriundus”, although in the context of a passage which is anachronistic[1609]. "Duke Richard [II]" donated property to the abbey of Mont Saint-Michel by charter dated to [1026], subscribed by "…Osbernus filius Arfast, Ranulfus frater eius"[1610]. "…Osbe filius Herfasti…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy confirmed rights of Mont Saint-Michel[1611]. Steward (dapifer) of Robert II and Guillaume II Dukes of Normandy. "Rotberti comitis, Osberni dapiferi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1030/35] under which "Erchembaldus vicecomes" donated "prata de Salhus et…in Sarlosvilla jure hereditario" to the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen[1612]. An undated charter, recording a donation to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen, records that "Osbernus dapifer" was killed "a suis hostibus"[1613]. He is named "Osberni cognomento Pacifici" in the charter dated to [1035/60] which records the donation by his widow and two sons to Rouen Sainte-Trinité for his soul[1614]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Osbernus...procurator principalis domus, Herfasti Gunnoris comitissæ fratris filius“ was killed while sleeping “in cubiculo ducis cum ipso in valle Rodoili” by “Willelmo Rogerii de Montegumeri filio”, dated to early in the reign of Duke Guillaume II from the context[1615]. m EMMA d'Ivry, daughter of RAOUL d'Ivry Comte de Bayeux & his wife Aubrée [Eremburge] --- (-after [1067]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that one of the daughters of “Rodulphum” and his wife “Erembergam...natam in quadam villa Calcini territorii...Cavilla” married “Osberno de Crepon de qua natus est Willelmus filius Osberni”[1616]. "Willelmus et frater eius Osbernus" donated "terram…Herchembaldus vicecomes et Turoldus, comitissæ Gunnoris camerarius" and revenue from land received by "Croco et Erchembaldus filii eiusdem Erchembaldi vicecomitis" to the abbey of Sainte-Trinité at Rouen, with the consent of "matre eorum Emma", for the soul of "patris sui Osberni cognomento Pacifici", by charter dated to [1035/60][1617]. "Emma Osberni dapiferi uxore" is named as "dominis mei" with her two sons in the undated charter of Ansfredus[1618]. "Erchenbaldo filio Erchenbaldi vicecomitis", on the point of leaving "ultra mare", donated property to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen, with the consent of "rege Anglorum et duce Normannorum Guillelmo", by undated charter, signed by "…Willelmi filii Osberni, Emmæ matris eius, Ansfredi filii Athlæ…"[1619]. "Ansfredus, Osberni de Ou vicecomitis, postea…Hierosolimitani monachi, filius…cum conjuge mea Emma" offered "unicum filium meum…Goiffredum" as a monk at Sainte-Trinité de Rouen, with the consent of "dominis meis Emma, Osberni dapiferi uxore et filiis eius Willelmo et Osberno…Willelmo…principe Normannorum", by undated charter[1620]. Osbern & his wife had three children:

i) GUILLAUME FitzOsbern (-killed in battle Cassel, Flanders 22 Feb 1071, bur Abbaye de Cormeilles). Guillaume of Jumièges records that one of the daughters of “Rodulphum” and his wife “Erembergam...natam in quadam villa Calcini territorii...Cavilla” married “Osberno de Crepon de qua natus est Willelmus filius Osberni”[1621]. "Willelmus et frater eius Osbernus" donated "terram…Herchembaldus vicecomes et Turoldus, comitissæ Gunnoris camerarius" and revenue from land received by "Croco et Erchembaldus filii eiusdem Erchembaldi vicecomitis" to the abbey of Sainte-Trinité at Rouen, with the consent of "matre eorum Emma", for the soul of "patris sui Osberni cognomento Pacifici", by charter dated to [1035/60], signed by "…Godeboldi, Daneboldi, Ansfredi filii Osberni, Gisleberti filii Turgisii…"[1622]. "Willelmo filio Osberni et…Ælicia eius uxore filia Rogeri de Thoneio" founded the abbey of Lyre by charter dated 1046[1623]. Orderic Vitalis names “...Willermus Osberni filius, ducis cognatus et dapifer...” among the leading lords under Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[1624]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Willelmo dapifero filio Osberni" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[1625]. Orderic Vitalis names “...Guillermus Osberni filius...” among those who took part in the battle of Hastings[1626]. He was rewarded for his part in the conquest of England with estates in the Isle of Wight and county of Hereford, thereby becoming Earl of Hereford.

- EARLS of HEREFORD.

ii) OSBERN (-1101). "Willelmus et frater eius Osbernus" donated "terram…Herchembaldus vicecomes et Turoldus, comitissæ Gunnoris camerarius" and revenue from land received by "Croco et Erchembaldus filii eiusdem Erchembaldi vicecomitis" to the abbey of Sainte-Trinité at Rouen, with the consent of "matre eorum Emma", for the soul of "patris sui Osberni cognomento Pacifici", by charter dated to [1035/60][1627]. "Osberni frater eius [Willelmi]" witnessed a charter dated 1038 or after[1628]. "Ansfredus, Osberni de Ou vicecomitis, postea…Hierosolimitani monachi, filius…cum conjuge mea Emma" offered "unicum filium meum…Goiffredum" as a monk at Sainte-Trinité de Rouen, with the consent of "dominis meis Emma, Osberni dapiferi uxore et filiis eius Willelmo et Osberno…Willelmo…principe Normannorum", by undated charter[1629]. Chancellor of England. Bishop of Exeter 1072[1630].
iii) EMMA . "Willelmus Vernonensis filius Hugonis eiusque conjux Emma" donated property at "castrum Vernonense" to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen, with the consent of "Willelmo rege Anglorum et duce Normannorum", by undated charter[1631]. Guillaume de Vernon, his son Hugues and his wife Emma donated property to Rouen Holy Trinity, confirmed in the charter dated to [1067][1632]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter of Carisbrooke Priory, Isle of Wight which names “Johannem et Ricardum” as the two sons of “Willielmum filium Osberni marescallum…comitem Herefordiæ” who predeceased their father, and records that their inheritance went to “Ricardo de Rivers, nepoti prædicti Willielmi filii Osberni, tunc comiti Exoniæ”[1633]. m GUILLAUME de Vernon, son of HUGUES de Vernon & his wife --- (-[4 Jun ----]).

b) RAINULF . "Duke Richard [II]" donated property to the abbey of Mont Saint-Michel by charter dated to [1026], subscribed by "…Osbernus filius Arfast, Ranulfus frater eius"[1634].

4. WEWA . Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Gunnor" had “excepta Sainfria...duas sorores Wewam et Avelinam”, adding that Wewa married “Turulfo de Ponte-Audomari...filius...Torf” by whom she had “Humfridum de Vetulis patrem Rogerii de Bellomonte”[1635]. She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[1636]. The Genealogia Fundatoris of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire records that the (unnamed) sister of ”Gunnora comitissa Normanniæ” married “Turulpho de Ponte-Adomaro”[1637]. m THOROLD de Pont-Audemer, son of TORF & his wife --- (-after 1040).

5. [AVELINE] . Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Gunnor" had “excepta Sainfria...duas sorores Wewam et Avelinam”, adding that “tertia...sororum Gunnoris comitissæ” [Aveline, from the context] married “Osberno de Bolebec”, by whom she had “Galterium Giffardum primum et Godefridum patrem Willelmi de Archis”[1638]. She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[1639]. On the other hand, the Genealogia Fundatoris of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names ”Turketillus…frater…Turulphi, cuius filius Hasculfus d´Harcourt” married “aliam sororem…comitissæ Gunnoræ” by whom he was father of “duos…filios…Walterum de Giffard primogenitum…”[1640]. As noted under Giffard, another primary source indicates that the wife of "Osbernus Giffardus" (assumed to refer to Osbern de Bolbec given that his son used the name Giffard) was named Hawise[1641]. It is not known whether Osbern was married twice or whether all the sources cited refer to the same person, one or other mistaking the name. m [as his first wife,] OSBERN de Bolbec, son of ---.

6. [--- . It is not known which brother or sister of Gunnora was the parent of Beatrix.]

a) BEATRIX . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “nepotes...plures...Gunnor...una earum” married “patri primi Willelmi de Warenna” by whom she had “idem Willelmus postea comes Surreiæ et Rogerus de Mortuo-mari frater ipsius”[1642]. An undated charter records an agreement between Sainte-Trinité de Rouen and "Rodulfo Warethnæ" to buy land "in Blovilla…apud villam…Merdeplud…et terram prati Sottevillæ", with the consent of "dominum nostrum Willelmum Normannorum ducem…et Rotomagensis archiepiscopi Malgerii", by undated charter (dated to [1037/55]), signed by "…ejusdem Rodulfi de Guarethna., Beatricis uxori eius, Rogerii filii episcopi, Huberti filii Turoldi…"[1643]. m as his first wife, RAOUL de Warenne, son of --- .

7. [--- . It is not known which brother or sister of Gunnora was the parent of the following daughter.]

a) daughter . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “nepotes...plures...Gunnor...earum...altera” married “Nicolao de Bascheritivilla” among whose descendants were “Willelmus Martellus et Walterus de Sancto Martino”[1644]. m ROGER de Baqueville, son of ---.

8. [--- . It is not known which brother or sister of Gunnora was the parent of the following daughter.]

a) daughter . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “nepotes...plures...Gunnor...earum...tertia” married “Richardo vicecomiti Rothomagensi, patri...Lamberti de Sancto Sidonio”[1645]. m RICHARD Vicomte de Rouen, son of ---.

9. [--- . It is not known which brother or sister of Gunnora was the parent of the following daughter.]

a) daughter . Guillaume of Jumièges records that “nepotes...plures...Gunnor...earum...quarta” married “Osmundo de Centum-villis vicecomiti Vernonii” by whom she had “primus Fulco de Aneio, plures filiæ, quarum una mater fuit primi Balduini de Reuers” [although the latter part at least of this passage is contradicted by other primary sources][1646]. m OSMOND de Centville Vicomte de Vernon, son of ---.

Sources

• [1596] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVI, p. 311.
• [1597] Robert de Torigny, Book VIII, c. 37.
• [1598] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 821.
• [1599] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1116, MGH SS XXIII, p. 821.
• [1600] Receuil des Histoires de France, Vol. XV, p. 167, cited in CP XI 683 footnote c.
• [1601] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVI, p. 311.
• [1602] Robert de Torigny, Book VIII, c. 37.
• [1603] Felice Lifshitz (ed.) Dudo of St Quentin's Gesta Normannorum, Chapter 58, The Online Reference Book for Medieval Sources, <http://orb.rhodes.edu/ORB_done/Dudo/dudindex.html> (6 Jan 2003), and Robert de Torigny, Book VIII c. 36.
• [1604] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber IV, XVIII, p. 247.
• [1605] Robert de Torigny, Book VIII c. 36.
• [1606] Obituaires de Sens Tome II, Abbaye de Saint-Père-enVallée, p. 180.
• [1607] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, II, p. 268.
• [1608] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, VII, p. 94.
• [1609] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, VII, p. 94.
• [1610] Round (1899), 702, p. 249.
• [1611] Lambert, M. ´Les anciens vicomtes de Bayeux´, Mémoires de la société d´agriculture, sciences, arts et belles-lettres de Bayeux, Tome VIII (Bayeux, 1879), p. 252.
• [1612] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, V, p. 425.
• [1613] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, VI, p. 425.
• [1614] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, IV, p. 424.
• [1615] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, II, p. 268.
• [1616] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 288.
• [1617] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, IV, p. 424.
• [1618] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, 49, p. 447.
• [1619] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XLVII, p. 446.
• [1620] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XLIX, p. 447.
• [1621] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXXVIII, p. 288.
• [1622] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, IV, p. 424.
• [1623] Neustria Pia, p. 535.
• [1624] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, XI, p. 121.
• [1625] Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris, p. 22.
• [1626] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, XIV, p. 148.
• [1627] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, IV, p. 424.
• [1628] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, IV, p. 424.
• [1629] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XLIX, p. 447.
• [1630] ES III 695.
• [1631] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XVI, p. 430.
• [1632] Round (1899), 82, p. 23.
• [1633] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Carisbrooke Priory, Isle of Wight, I, p. 1041.
• [1634] Round (1899) 702, p. 249.
• [1635] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
• [1636] Robert de Torigny, Book VIII, c. 37.
• [1637] Dugdale Monasticon V, Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire III, p. 269.
• [1638] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
• [1639] Robert de Torigny, Book VIII, c. 37.
• [1640] Dugdale Monasticon V, Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire III, p. 269.
• [1641] Delisle (1866), p. 186.
• [1642] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
• [1643] Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XXVII, p. 435.
• [1644] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
• [1645] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
• [1646] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.

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Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database (this entry updated March 2015):

ROGER [I] de Montgommery, son of --- (-[before 1048]). Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois. He witnessed a charter of Robert I Duke of Normandy for the abbey of Saint Wandrille dated [1031/32]. In [1028/35] he restored to the Abbey of Jumièges the market at Vimoutiers which he had taken from the monks[436]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“ had been exiled to Paris “pro perfidia sua” when [his son] “Willelmo Rogerii de Montegumeri filio” murdered “Osbernus...Herfasti Gunnoris comitissæ fratris filius”[437].
m JOSCELINE, daughter of --- & his wife Sainsfrida [Senfrie][438] . Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[439]. Roger & his wife had [six] children:

1. HUGUES de Montgommery (-killed in battle 7 Feb[440] [1035/before 1048], bur Troarn401). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[441]. He witnessed his father's charter for the abbey of Jumièges397. He was killed during the troubles in Normandy during the minority of Duke Guillaume II[442]. Vicomte d'Hiémois. [m JOSCELINE de Bolbec, daughter of OSBERN de Bolbec & his wife Wevia [error--should be Avelina ---. Josceline and her marriage are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[443]. This is presumably based on Robert de Torigny, continuation of William of Jumièges[444], the unreliability of this part of whose chronicle is discussed in the Complete Peerage[445]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “nepotes...plures...Gunnor...earum...quintam” married “Hugo de Monte-gummerici” by whom she had “Rogerius pater Roberti de Bellismo”[446]. There must be considerable doubt about whether this can be correct as Osbern de Bolbec's wife and Hugues de Montgommery´s mother would have been first cousins.]

2. ROBERT de Montgommery (-before his father). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[447].

3. ROGER [II] de Montgommery (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[448]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte d'Hiémois. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074. Seigneur d'Alençon. - see below.

4. GUILLAUME de Montgommery (-killed in battle [1035/before 1048]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[449]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Osbernus...procurator principalis domus, Herfasti Gunnoris comitissæ fratris filius“ was killed while sleeping “in cubiculo ducis cum ipso in valle Rodoili” by “Willelmo Rogerii de Montegumeri filio”, dated to early in the reign of Duke Guillaume II from the context, adding that the murderer was subsequently killed by “Barno...de Glotis præpositus Osberni” in revenge for the crime[450].

5. GILBERT de Montgommery (-murdered [1064]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[451]. Orderic Vitalis records the return from Apulia of “Ernaldus de Escalfoio Willermi Geroiani filius” who was pardoned by Duke Guillaume who promised the return of his property, that “Mabilia Talavacii filia” prepared poison for him which was drunk by “Gislebertus frater Rogerii de Monte-Gomerici” who died three days later “apud Raimalastum”, dated to [1064] from the context[452].

6. [--- . The identity of Amieria´s parents is not known. She is shown as the daughter of Gilbert in Europäische Stammtafeln[453], but this may be no more than speculation. The word "neptis" may indicate a more remote family relationship than niece. m ---.] One child:

a) [AMIERIA . Orderic Vitalis reports that Roger de Montgommery married "Amieriam neptem suam" to "Warino autem Calvo", who was "a man small in body but great in spirit", to whom he granted “præsidatum Scrobesburiæ”[454]. Her second marriage is confirmed by a manuscript which recites the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey and records donations including that of "Reginaldus frater Warini vicecomes…villam…Lega", adding in a later passage that "Reinaldus…post mortem Warini vicecomitis uxorem illius, cum honore, suscepit"[455]. Eyton interprets "frater" in this document as meaning "brother-in-law or rather husband of Warin´s widow"[456] but, assuming that the extract quoted above reflects the facts, such an interpretation is unnecessary as Rainald was both Warin´s brother and second husband of Warin´s widow. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius...Scrobesburiensis comes” donated properties to Ouche, including confirmation of the donation of “in ecclesia de Bailol altare sancti Leonardi et unam partem decimæ eiusdem villæ cum terra” donated by “Rainaldus de Bailol et Amieria uxor eius neptis mea”, undated but dated to after his second marriage[457]. The date of death of Amieria´s first husband and the date of her second marriage is indicated by Domesday Book which records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[458]. m firstly WARIN [Gu%C3%A9rin] "the Bald/le Chauve", son of --- (-[25 Feb 1083/1086]). A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including by "Warinus vicecomes…in villa…Tugfort" and “uxor…illius post eius obitum…domum…in civitate”, with the consent of "filiis suis"[459]. Orderic Vitalis records that “V Kal Mar” in 1083 “Rogerius comes” declared to “Guarinum vicecomitem et Picotem de Saia cæterosque proceres suos” his intention of founding the abbey of Saint-Pierre[460]. m secondly (before 1086) her first husband´s brother, RAINALD de Bailleul [Bailleul-en-Gouffern], son of ---. "Rainaldus" donated “Dodefort” to Shrewsbury abbey for the soul of "Warini antecessoris sui"[461]. Domesday Book records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[462]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius...Scrobesburiensis comes” donated properties to Ouche, including confirmation of the donation of “in ecclesia de Bailol altare sancti Leonardi et unam partem decimæ eiusdem villæ cum terra” donated by “Rainaldus de Bailol et Amieria uxor eius neptis mea”, undated but dated to after his second marriage[463]. He must have ceased to be Sheriff in the early 1100s as a manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[464].] Amieria & her first husband had one child:

i) HUGH (-[1102/10]). A manuscript reciting the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including that of "Hugo filius eiusdem Warini"[465]. Sheriff of Shropshire. A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[466]. As the death of Alan FitzFlaald is dated to before 1114, it is assumed that Hugh died early in the 1100s, probably without issue.

Sources:

• [436] Vernier, J. J. (ed.) (1916) Chartes de l'abbaye de Jumièges, Tome I c 825-1169 (Rouen, Paris), Tome I, p. 43, cited in CP XI 682 footnote d.
• [437] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, II, p. 268.
• [438] Sister of Gunnora, mistress of Richard I Duke of Normandy.
• [439] Receuil des Histoires de France, Vol. XV, p. 167, cited in CP XI 683 footnote c.
• [440] ES III 695.
• [441] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, II, p. 268.
• [442] CP XI 683-4 footnote d.
• [443] ES III 695.
• [444] Robert de Torigny, Vol. VIII, c. 35, cited in CP XI 683 footnote d.
• [445] CP XI 683.
• [446] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
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• [452] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, IX, p. 106.
• [453] ES III 637.
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• [455] Dugdale Monasticon III, Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, II, p. 518.
• [456] Eyton, R. W. (1858) Antiquities of Shropshire (London), Vol. VII, p. 208.
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Daughter of Seinsfrida de Crépon and her husband (the Forrester)

Spouse: Roger de Montgommery

Children:

1. Hugh (who married Joscline's cousin Josceline de Bolbec)

2. Robert

3. Roger (married Mabile d'Alençon and Adelais de Puiset)

4. Guillaume

5. Gilbert

6. Amiera's parent (uncertain)

LINKS

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MEDIEVAL LANDS

Chapter 1. EARLY NORMAN FAMILIES of VIKING ORIGIN

A. FAMILY of GUNNORA, mistress of RICHARD I Comte de NORMANDIE

Four sisters and one brother, parents not known, presumably of Viking origin:

1. SAINSFRIDA [Senfrie] . She and her three sisters, as well as their husbands, are named by Robert de Torigny[3]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Seufriam" as sister of "Gunnor uxor…Richardi Normannis ducem"[4]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "la femme d'un sien forestier…Sainfrie" rejected the advances of Richard I Comte [de Normandie] and sent her sister Gunnor to his bed in her place[5].

m ---. The name of Sainsfrida's husband is not known.

Sainsfrida and her husband had one child:

a) JOSCELINE . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Iosceline" as daughter of "Seufriam"[6]. Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[7].

m ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery, son of ---.

ROGER [I] de Montgommery, son of --- (-[before 1048]). Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois. He witnessed a charter of Robert I Duke of Normandy for the abbey of Saint Wandrille dated [1031/32]. In [1028/35] he restored to the Abbey of Jumièges the market at Vimoutiers which he had taken from the monks[380]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Roger de Montgomeri" was exiled to Paris "à cause de sa perfidie" in the early years of the reign of Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[381].

m JOSCELINE, daughter of --- & his wife Sainsfrida [Senfrie][382] .

Josceline, her husband and her mother are named in a letter of Ives Bishop of Chartres to Henry I King of England dated 1114 which explains the consanguinity between the king and Hugues de Châteauneuf, who wanted to marry one of the king's illegitimate daughters[383].

Roger & his wife had [six] children:

1. HUGUES de Montgommery (-killed in battle 7 Feb[384] [1035/before 1048], bur Troarn384). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[385]. He witnessed his father's charter for the abbey of Jumièges380. He was killed during the troubles in Normandy during the minority of Duke Guillaume II[386]. Vicomte d'Hiémois.

[m JOSCELINE de Bolbec, daughter of OSBERN de Bolbec & his wife Wevia ---. Josceline and her marriage are shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[387]. This is presumably based on Robert de Torigny, continuation of William of Jumièges[388], the unreliability of this part of whose chronicle is discussed in the Complete Peerage[389]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that one of the nieces of Gunnor, mistress of Richard I Comte [de Normandie], married "Hugues de Montgommeri"[390]. There must be some doubt about this as her husband would have been her first cousin.]

2. ROBERT de Montgommery (-before his father). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[391].

3. ROGER [II] de Montgommery (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[392]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte d'Hiémois. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074. Sire d'Alençon.

- see below.

4. GUILLAUME de Montgommery (-killed in battle [1035/before 1048]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Osbern, intendant de la maison du prince [Guillaume II Duke of Normandy] et fils d'Herfast" was murdered at Vandreuil in the early years of the duke's reign by "Guillaume fils de Roger de Montgomeri"[393]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume was murdered soon after on the orders of Barnon de Glote to avenge the murder of Osbern[394].

5. GILBERT de Montgommery (-murdered [1064]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[395]. Brother of Roger de Montgommery according to Orderic Vitalis, who recorded that he was poisoned by Mabile de Bellême his brother's wife[396].

6. [--- . The identity of Amieria´s parents is not known. She is shown as the daughter of Gilbert in Europäische Stammtafeln[397], but this may be no more than speculation. The word "neptis" may indicate a more remote family relationship than niece.

m ---.] One child:

a) [AMIERIA . Orderic Vitalis reports that Roger de Montgommery married "Amieriam neptem suam" to "Warino autem Calvo" who was "a man small in body but great in spirit" whom he made sheriff of Shrewsbury[398]. Her second marriage is confirmed by a manuscript which recites the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey and records donations including that of "Reginaldus frater Warini vicecomes…villam…Lega", adding in a later passage that "Reinaldus…post mortem Warini vicecomitis uxorem illius, cum honore, suscepit"[399]. Eyton interprets "frater" in this document as meaning "brother-in-law or rather husband of Warin´s widow"[400] but, assuming that the extract quoted above reflects the facts, such an interpretation is unnecessary as Rainald was both Warin´s brother and second husband of Warin´s widow. "Earl Roger" confirmed the donation to St Evroul by "Rainald de Bailal and Amieria his wife, my niece" by charter dated to [1086/94][401]. The date of death of Amieria´s first husband and the date of her second marriage is indicated by Domesday Book which records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[402].

m firstly WARIN [Gu%C3%A9rin] "the Bald/le Chauve", son of --- (-before 1086). A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including by "Warinus vicecomes…in villa…Tugfort" and “uxor…illius post eius obitum…domum…in civitate”, with the consent of "filiis suis"[403].

m secondly (before 1086) her first husband´s brother, RAINALD de Bailleul, son of ---. "Rainaldus" donated “Dodefort” to Shrewsbury abbey for the soul of "Warini antecessoris sui"[404]. Domesday Book records "Raynaldus" as "vicecomes" of Shropshire[405]. "Earl Roger" confirmed the donation to St Evroul by "Rainald de Bailal and Amieria his wife, my niece" by charter dated to [1086/94][406]. He must have ceased to have been Sheriff in the early 1100s as a manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[407].] Amieria & her first husband had one child:

i) HUGH (-[1102/10]). A manuscript reciting the history of the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records donations including that of "Hugo filius eiusdem Warini"[408]. Sheriff of Shropshire. A manuscript reciting the foundation of Shrewsbury abbey records that "Alanus filius Fladaldi" held “honorem vicecomitis Warini” after "filium eius"[409]. As the death of Alan FitzFlaald is dated to before 1114, it is assumed that Hugh died early in the 1100s, probably without issue.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p64.htm#i8446 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm ) -------------------- JOSCELINE3 DE PONTAUDEMER (Tourade2, Torf1), daughter of (2) Tourade2 and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER, was born between 964 and 980, and died between 994 and 1090. She married in 994, (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY[31], son of (AAL-2) Roger MONTGOMERY. [31]

Child: See (AAL-3) Hugues de MONTGOMERY

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Generation One

1. TORF1 was born circa 920, and died between 950 and 1030. He married circa 950, ERTEMBERGE DE BRIQUEBEC. [67, 28, 103]

Seigneur de Torville

possibly a son of Bernard the Dane, the most powerful of the feudal nobles of

Normandy but this relationship has not been proved.

Children: + 2 i. TOURADE2 DE PONTAUDEMER, b. circa 950; m. EVA DE CREPON circa 980.

3 ii. TURCHETIL.
Seigneur de Turqueville, ancestor of the famous harcourt family of Normandy and

England.

4 iii. WILLIAM DE TORVILLE.
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Generation Two

2. TOURADE2 DE PONTAUDEMER (Torf1), son of (1) Torf1 and Ertemberge (de BRIQUEBEC) _____, was born circa 950[100], and died between 980 and 1060. He married circa 980, EVA DE CREPON. [67, 32, 103]

younger sister of the Dutchess Gunnora, wife of Richard I, Duke of normandy

(Cf),

Children: + 5 i. HUMPHREY3 DE VEULLES, b. circa 980; m. AUBEREE DE LA HAYE circa 1005.

6 ii. HERBRARD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 7 iii. GILBERD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 8 iv. RICHARD DU PONTEAUDEMER. 9 v. ILBERT DU PONTEAUDEMER. 10 vi. JOSSELINE. + 11 vii. JOSCELINE; m. (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY in 994.

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Generation Three

5. HUMPHREY3 DE VEULLES (Tourade de PONTAUDEMER2, Torf1),

son of (2) Tourade2 and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER,

was born circa 980[100], and was buried in Preaux Abbey, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France.

He married circa 1005, AUBEREE DE LA HAYE, who died circa 1045[100]. [68, 27, 103, 113]

Children: 12 i. ROBERT4 DE BEAUMONT, b. circa 1005.

+ 13 ii. COUNT ROGER DE BEAUMONT of Ponteaudemer, b. circa 1022, d. in 1094; m. (ZN-2) COUNTESS ADELIZA DE MEULENT circa 1040.

11. JOSCELINE3 DE PONTAUDEMER (Tourade2, Torf1), daughter of (2) Tourade2

and Eva (de CREPON) PONTAUDEMER, was born between 964 and 980, and died between 994 and 1090. She married in 994, (AAL-3) HUGUES DE MONTGOMERY[31], son of (AAL-2) Roger MONTGOMERY. [31]

Child: See (AAL-3) Hugues de MONTGOMERY

Josseline de Beaumont1

b. circa 955

Josseline de Beaumont|b. c 955|p64.htm#i8446|Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer|b. 949|p64.htm#i8445|Seinfreda de Crepon|b. c 932|p64.htm#i8444|seigneur de Pont-Audemer Torf de Torville|b. 928|p64.htm#i8456||||Herbastus de Crepon Sr.|b. 914|p45.htm#i5198||||

Father Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer2 b. 949

Mother Seinfreda de Crepon b. circa 932

Josseline de Beaumont was niece of Gunnor, second wife of Richard I, Duke of Normandy.1 She was born circa 955. She was the daughter of Touroude de Torville , seigneur de Pont Audemer and Seinfreda de Crepon.2 Josseline de Beaumont married seigneur de Montgommery Hugues de Montgomery circa 975.3 Family

seigneur de Montgommery Hugues de Montgomery b. circa 950

Child

• Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury+ b. 1005, d. 10941 Citations

1. [S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed., III:287. 2. [S209] Somerset Herald J.R. Planché, Planché, J.R.. 3. [S221] Todd A. Farmerie, "Gunnor of Normandy". read more