Héribert II, count of Vermandois

Heribert II de Vermandois, comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois

Parents: Heribert I & his wife Liedgardis

Spouse: Adèle de Neustrie, de France (daughter of Robert I King of France.)

Children:

1. Odo (Eudes)

2. Adele (married Arnoul I de Flandre)

3. Heribert III 'le Vieux'

4. Hugues

5. Luigardis

6. Robert

7. Adalbert

LINKS

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#HeribertIIdie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_II,_Count_of_Vermandois

http://www.mathematical.com/vermandoisherbert2.html

http://www.thepeerage.com/p15039.htm#i150389

http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/charts/de-vermandois-of-france.htm

http://www.geneajourney.com/vrmndois.html

http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0vermandois.htm

http://myriddellfamilytree.mysocialgeekspace.com/getperson.php?pers...

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6. HERBERT (II) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 880 Vermandois Picardie, d. Feb 23, 943 Saint Quentin, Aisne, m. his niece, Adèle (II) Princess de France, b. 895, d. 943, daughter of Robert I King of France (and Count of Paris, born in Bourgogne and died in Soissons, France) and his sister Beatrice de Vermandois, b. 876, d. 929, daughter of Herbert (I) Comte de Vermandois and Berthe de Paris

Herbert (III) de Vermandois, Comte de Tours, b. 907, d. 987

Robert Comte de Troyes and Meaux, b. 910, d. Jun 19, 966

Leutgarde de Vermandois, Duchess de Normandy, b. 911, d. Nov 14, 977 Chartres

Adele (ou Alix) de Vermandois, b. 913, d. 959 Bruges

Eudes de Vermandois, Comte de Viennois, b. 915, d. Jun 19, 946

Albert (I) le Pieux de Vermandois, Comte de Vermandois, b. 916, d. Sep 8, 987 Saint-Quentin

Hugues de Vermandois, Archbishop of Reims, b. 920, d. 962 Meaux

Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy[edit]

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne (the capital of the county of Vermandois).[1] His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

Family[edit]

Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children: Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1] Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1] Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1] Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1] Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1] Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10] Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims

Herbert II, Count of Vermandois

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Herbert II (884 – February 23, 943), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.

Contents

[hide]

   * 1 Life

* 2 Death and legacy
* 3 Family
* 4 External links
[edit] Life

He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Adela of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Chateau-Thierry, then in Péronne.

In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry in Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Chateau-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

[edit] Death and legacy

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert III, Robert, Albert, and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

[edit] Family

He was first married to Adela, and then to Hildebrante of France (895-931), daughter of Robert I of France.

With Adela, he had 7 children:

   * Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders, also a descendant of Charlemagne

* Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (910-946)
* Herbert "the Elder", Count of Meaux and of Troyes (-993)
* Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Chalons (-968)
* Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915-987), married Gerberga of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne
* Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920-978), married 943 Theobald I of Blois
* Hugh of Vermandois (died 962), Archbishop of Reims

He was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois and Bertha de Movris found here: Héribert I de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois, Senlis, Péronne

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Herbert II

Vermandois coat of arms

Count of Vermandois

Reign

907 – 23 February 943

Predecessor

Herbert I

Successor

Adalbert I

Spouse

Hildebranda of France

See details

Issue 

Adele of Vermandois

Eudes of Vermandois

Adalbert I

Robert of Vermandois

Herbert "the Elder"

Luitgarde of Vermandois

Hugh of Vermandois

House

Vermandois

Father

Herbert I, Count of Vermandois

Mother

Bertha de Morvois

Born

ca 884

Died

23 February 943

Herbert II (884 – February 23, 943), Count of Vermandois and Count of Troyes, was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.

Contents

 [hide]  1 Life

2 Death and legacy

3 Family

4 External links

[edit] Life

He inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Saint de Soissons abbey. His marriage with Hildebrand of France (also known as Liégarde) brought him the County of Meaux. Because Adela, the name given to the queen, since his mother was so well known. So it has been presumed that he had one spouse with two different common names. But, Hildebrandt was the dau. of Robert I/V and Aelis; and, Lieutgarde was the dau. of Robert I/V and Beatrice.

In 918, he was also named Count of Mézerais and of the Véxin. With his cousin Bernard, Count of Beauvais and Senlis, he constituted a powerful group in the west of France, to the north and east of Paris. In 923, he imprisoned King Charles III in Château-Thierry, then in Péronne.

In 922, the Archbishop of Rheims, Seulf, called on Herbert II to reduce some of his vassals who were in rebellion against him. On the death of Seulf, in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims, which had a large inheritance in France and Germany. In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this County for Eudes, his eldest son. He settled there, initially against the will of King Rudolph and constructed a fortress there. Rudolph yielded to pressure to free king Charles III, whom Herbert still held in prison. In 930, Herbert took the castle of Vitry-en-Perthois at the expense of Boso, the brother of King Rudolph. Rudolph united his army with the army of Hugh, marquis of Neustria, and in 931, they entered Rheims and defeated Hugh, the son of Herbert. Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims. Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons. The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud. Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop. Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

[edit] Death and legacy

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 without having succeeded in building the principality of which he dreamed. His succession was reconciled by Hugh the Great, maternal uncle of his children. It took place in 946 and led to an equitable distribution between the sons of Herbert II: Herbert "the Elder", Robert, Albert (Adalbert), and Hugh (his other son Eudes died before 946). As for his girls, Adela was married to Arnulf I, count of Flanders, Luitgarde (widow of William Longsword) was married to Theobald I, count of Blois, the first lieutenant of Hugh. She brought to Theobald Provins and domains in the Mézerais.

[edit] Family

With Hildebrand of France, daughter of Robert I of France, he had the following children:

Adele of Vermandois (910-960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders, also a descendant of Charlemagne

Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (912-946)

Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (915-987), married Gerberge of Lorraine, also a descendant of Charlemagne

Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons (ca918-968)

Herbert "the Elder", Count of Meaux and of Troyes (ca920-993)

Luitgarde of Vermandois (ca 920-978), married 943 Theobald I of Blois

Hugh of Vermandois (died 962), Archbishop of Reims

But, Hildebrandt was the dau. of Robert I/V and Aelis; and, Lieutgarde was the dau. of Robert I/V and Beatrice. Which children belong to which, is to be determined.

[edit] External links

Comtes de Vermandois

Courtesy of fantastically full family tree cf.:

Hughes of Gwerclas 1/2/3/4:

http://www.maximiliangenealogy.co.uk/burke1/Royal%20Descents/hughes...

http://www.maximiliangenealogy.co.uk/burke1/Royal%20Descents/hughes...

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Herbert II (d. 23 februar 943), greve av Vermandois, greve av Meaux og greve av Soissons.

Han var den første til å utøve makt over territoriet som ble provinsen av Champagne Herbert var sønn av Herbert I av Vermandois. Han var tydeligvis godt klar over sin avstamming fra Charlemagne. Herbert arvet domenet av sin far og 907 ble eiendommene lagt til klosteret St. Medard, Soissons. Han tok stilling som abbed for å få inntekt av eiendommene. Hans ekteskap med Adele, en datter av kong Robert I av Frankrike ga han County Meaux.

I 922, da Seulf ble erkebiskop av Rheims gjorde han et forsøk på å tilfredsstille Herbert I. I Seulf lovet å nominere han som sin etterfølger

Det var sammenstøt mellom de franske kongene og i 923 tok greve Herbert det dristige skrittet å fengsle kong Charles III. (Han døde som fange i 929). Da Seulf døde i 925, fikk Herbert med hjelp av kong Rudolph, ble hans andre sønn 5 år gammel oppnevnt som erkebiskop Rheims. Herbert tok ytterligere affære for å sende utsendinger til Roma med pave John X sin godkjenning. Paven ga godkjenning i 926. og på hans valg ble unge Hugh sendt til Auxerre å studere.

I 926 døde greve Roger av Laon og Herbert krevde dette grevskapet for Eudes sin eldste sønn. Han tok byen uten samtykke fra kong Rudolph og det fører til et sammenstøt mellom de to i 927. Herbert truer med å slippe kong Charles III fri som han holdt fanget, og han klarte å holde byen i fire år. Men etter Charles død i 929, angrep Rudolph igjen Laon i 931 og ble beseiret Herbert. Samme år tok kongen Reims beseiret erkebiskop Hugh, sønn av Herbert. Artaud ble den nye erkebiskopen av Reims. Herbert II tapte i løpet ac tre år, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry og Soissons. Angrepet av hans allierte, Henrik Fowler tillot ham å gjenopprette sitt domene unntatt Rheims og Laon i bytte for sin underkastelse til kong Rudolph.

Senere ble Herbert alliert med Hugh de store og William Longsword, hertug av Normandie mot kong Louis IV, som ga fylket Laon til Roger II, sønn av Roger I, i 941. Herbert og Hugh den store tok tilbake Rheims og erobret Artaud. Hugh, sønn av Herbert, ble gjenopprettet som erkebiskop igjen med støtte av den tyske Kong Otto I Vise, nær Liège, i 942 for å normalisering av situasjonen.

Herbert II døde 23 februar 943 i Saint-Quentin, Aisne (hovedstaden i fylket av Vermandois).Hans store eiendommer og territorier ble delt mellom sønnene. Vermandois og Amiens gikk til de to eldste sønnene. mens Robert og Herbert, yngre sønner, ble gitt verdifulle eiendommer spredt over hele Champagne. Når Robert døde arvet broren Herbert III dem alle. Herbert IIIS eneste sønn Stephen døde barnløs i 1019-20 dermed sluttet av Herbert II.

Herbert var gift med Adele, datter av Robert I av Frankrike. De hadde 7 barn: 1. Eudes av Vermandois, greve av Amiens og Vienne, (c. 910-946) 2 . Adalbert I, greve av Vermandois (c. 915 - 987), gift Gerberge av Lorraine 3. Adela av Vermandois (910-960), gift 934 greve Arnulf I av Flandern 4, Herbert "gamle" (c. 910-980), greve av Omois, Meaux og Troyes, og abbeden av St. Medard, Soissons, gift 951 Eadgifu av Wessex datter av Edvard den eldre konge av England og enke av Charles III kongen av Frankrike. 5 Robert av Vermandois, greve av Meaux og Châlons († 967) 6. Luitgarde av Vermandois (c. 915-20-978), gift 940 William I, hertug av Normandie; [1] gift Dernest c. 943 - 44: Theobald I av Blois, sønnen var Odo I, greve av Blois.7. Hugh av Vermandois (920-962), erkebiskopen av Reims

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