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Agnes Noble

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Birthplace: Fife, Scotland (United Kingdom)
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Daughter of nn Nobles
Wife of David Graham of Dundaff
Mother of Sir Patrick Graham of Kincardine; Sir David Graham of Lovet, Kt. and Sir John Graham of Dundaff & Abercorn

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About Agnes Noble


Family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_de_Graham
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Sir David de Graham of Dundaff was a 13th-century Scottish noble.

David served Patrick, Earl of Dunbar, and was the deputy justiciar of Lothian in 1248. He was Sheriff of Berwick by 1264. He died c.1272.

Marriage and issue

David married Agnes Noble and is known to have had the following issue:[1]

  1. Patrick de Graham, (died 1296), married Annabella, widow of John of Restalrig, the daughter of Robert, Earl of Strathearn; had issue.
  2. John de Graham, (died 1298) married Marjory Halliday sic: unknown] ; had issue. [?]
  3. David de Graham, (died 1297), married Mary Bisset, the co-heiress of John Bisset, Lord of Lovat; had issue.

http://www.multiwords.de/genealogy/graham01.htm

  • i. David de Graham of Kinnabar m Amabel
    • a. Sir David de Graham of Dundaff (a 1244) m Agnes
      • 1 Sir David Graham of Dundaff (d c1270) Various sources indicate that his wife was Annabella, daughter of 4th Earl of Strathearn. TSP (Strathearn) specifically contradicts this and reports "the evidence is clear that she was the wife of his son Sir Patrick".

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20UNTITLED.htm...

DAVID [II] de Graham, son of DAVID [I] de Graham & his wife Amabel - ([before 1180]-after [1232]). m --. The name of David’s wife is not known.

David [II] & his wife had [one child]:

1. [DAVID [III] de Graham (-after 1264). The chronology of the Graham family strongly suggests the addition of another generation between David [II] and the brothers Patrick [II] and David [IV]. The marriage date of David [IV] can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1267/68] given the relatively tight chronology for the birth of his wife in [1255/59], while Patrick [II]’s marriage is unlikely to have taken place much before 1251. These dates suggest the births of Patrick [II] and David [IV] in the range [1225/45], which appears inconsistent with David [II] already having been adult in [1200]. In addition, Balfour Paul cites several charters, dated between [1232] and 1264 in which "David de Graham" is named[750]. If that David de Graham was the same person who is named in the [1200] document, he would have had an unusually lengthy career. These indications point to the existence of “David [III] de Graham”, probably the son of David [II].

m - The name of David’s wife is not known. Balfour Paul says that "the Christian name of Sir David’s wife was Agnes, and there is reason to believe that her surname was Noble, and that the lands of Kinpunt and Eliston in Linlithgowshire, acquired by Sir David from Ralph Noble and Thomas Noble, were so obtained in marriage with her, she being mentioned in these grants but in no other known charter in favour of Sir David, excepting King Alexander’s confirmation in 1253"[751]. Balfour Paul indicates David [II] as the husband of Agnes. However, if the existence of David [III] is correctly posited, the chronology suggests that Agnes would have been his wife.

David [III] & his wife had [two children]:

a) [PATRICK [II] de Graham (-killed in battle Dunbar 28 Apr 1296) … m ([1251/60]%29 [as her second husband,] ANNABELLA of Strathearn, [widow of JOHN of Lestalrig,] … Patrick [II] & his wife had [two or more] children: …

b) [DAVID [IV] de Graham (-[Jul 1297/17 Mar 1298]). … m ([1267/68]%29 MURIEL Bisset, daughter of JOHN Bisset & his wife - ([1255/59]-) … David [IV] & his wife had [two] children: …


References

  1. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Graham-1150
  2. The Scots Peerage, page 200. < Archive.Org > “ Sir David de Graham, the real founder of the house of Montrose. He was probably a minor at his father's death. …”
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Agnes Noble's Timeline

1235
1235
Leitchtown, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
1245
1245
Dundaff Castle, Dunure, Ayrshire, Scotland
1260
1260
Dundaff, Stirlingshire, Scotland
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Fife, Scotland (United Kingdom)
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