Joseph Carpenter and Hannah Carpenter (circa 1630/1640)

Joe, thank you so much for posting about this! A couple of us curators are aware of the huge Carpenter mess and are working on untangling it. I'm mostly away from Geni right now and accessing the site from my phone, but Erica Horton should arrive shortly to give her input.

A lot of the problems stem from bad merges, so some of it might be easiest to fix by waiting just a little bit longer for merge undo to be released. I'll look at the profiles you linked, however, to see if there's anything else we can do for now.

Howton! Autocorrect is terrible.

Tell me about that auto correct!

More complete reversion tools are in the works, but I have a whole carpentry set on my curator ID to help out. Suggestions.

- upload documents to support sourced facts. At merge time it makes a lot of difference. Also, procedurally, it's building a profile from the facts on out.

- cite sources in the overview.

- post links (URLs of the profiles) to a discussion, makes it a whole lot easier to find.

- use the display name field to disambiguate similar names. As you can see, topographics are really helpful.

- you can't merge

You can't merge two master profiles together. Once we're sure there's a good shell, we can start from there.

Search the geni database for duplicates. I've found all kinds of helpful tidbits lurking there.

To answer the locked fields question, that's recently been implemented. I won't lock a field down until sourced, of course. The beauty of the tool is that it's field by field, so if you only have found a baptism date / place, for example, we can go ahead and lock that field, leaving,csay, death date for further research.

erica... quick question.. earliest carpenter in my family tree and ... caleb 1769-1848.. i suspect joe and hanah may be his great-grandparents or great-great grandparents.. as the death date on joesph is three years before have you info? here is what i have born 16 Sep 1769 in , Windham, VT died 4 Apr 1848 st lawrence co (loiusvile?) husband of mary Ballou born 18 Apr 1773 ma? died 1850 does anybody know of this carpenter?

Hi Michael

All I know is in Geni!

Thanks for the quick replies on this. The locked field sounds like a great place to start and I think that only locking those fields (once you have supporting docs as proof) will be enormously helpful. I have been uploading source docs quite a bit recently on my immediate tree, and I've found it to be quite helpful.

I'lll go through and start poking around with the William Carpenter's and the profiles in and around them and slowly work down, trying to verify information, add sources, and make corrections as needed. In the short term, @Erica / @Ashley , what are your thoughts about inserting a descriptive 'warning' or something at the top of the 2 Joseph Carpenter profiles that I mentioned? Do you think it would help stop any further erroneous merges or should we just hold off?

Cheers!
Joe

thanks Erica Howton as a non-pro i can't tell when things are related and via whom so it makes it all the more difficult..

Private User

I'm cleaning up Carpenters. I think the solution is to make Master Profiles of every Joe Carpenter, including you. :)

If you see the links above, I've added place names to the two Joes.

Onward!

sweet! Thanks so much! I'll be poking around trying to adjust a few things this weekend too. Let me know if you need help with anything, be happy to help out where I can.

Document and overview. If the facts are there it makes it much, much easier to correct relationships.

Another trick is to search the database and merge together profile by profile. That way you can more easily figure out which fragment goes with which, and build a family story.

Found another incorrect marriage between Joseph and his sister (ewwww).

source document attached to Joseph Carpenter proves that he had only one wife, Margaret Sutton.

I believe that the Hannah Carpenter listed on this profile is in fact his sister and that he was indvertantly listed as her husband instead of the Joseph Carpenter of Oyster Bay. Joseph Carpenter, of Musketa Cove

I need a curator's super powers to fix (please!)

Done. Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter

Actually is was a second cousin marriage,

Thanks Erica for doing all this, you are a SuperStar (best said with 'jazz hands')

Here's another Curator only issue. [6000000000426548507] is currently locked, but I noticed that at least the birth year is off by a couple of years. Should be circa 1638, vice 1644.

Source document added and states
"BIRTH: A 1995 journal article makes a strong circumstantial case that Samuel was born
about 1638, rather than 1644, as often said (see TAG 70:195–97; also, for example, Carpenter [1898] 48). The article’s author (this writer) has since confirmed this conclusion,
having discovered that Samuel Carpenter was sworn a Grand Enquest juryman at Plymouth on 4 June 1661 (PCR 3:215). In that the age requirement for holding public office
was twenty-one, Samuel must have been born by 4 June 1640. But since his sister Hannah was born in April of that year, it is appropriate to estimate Samuel’s birth year as
about 1638. A brother of the same name had died as an infant at Shalbourne, England, in
1637 (TAG 70:194, 196, 204; see also William2
of Rehoboth sketch, CHILDREN)."

That previous discussion should have linked to Samuel Carpenter

Private User looking for parents of a caleb carpenter 1769-1848 do you think he could be from samuel carpenter sr's kids?

sorry didn't mean to tag you.

Private Regarding Caleb, I'm not sure. Everything I have is documented here in Geni. Have you looked at the source files for Samuel Carpenter? (http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000013706574096) That document will list his immediate family.

samuel carpenter sr would be my 13th cousin 11 times removed and no i looked thru them not a match just thought maybe backtracking from my carpenter it might be related great-great or somthing...

Samuel Carpenter has been updated. The sourced fields are now locked rather than the whole profile. I added the findagrave record as a source for death, burial, location, etc. Interestingly they dont have a photo of the S.C. Fieldstone, and I know I've seen it before. It would be great to add to the profile.

Private

Your Caleb Carpenter descends from Joseph Carpenter

Thanks for updating the Samuel Carpenter, (died young) profile. I haven't seen the gravestone that you mentioned, but interesting enough, I came across Margaret Carpenter headstone, but it turns out it in fact isn't hers (I already emailed the profile manager about removing it....)

Erica Howton thanks i thought it might be thru samuel or his father or his family but was not sure.. i now have the info to add to that line since you allready have those on file.. just a matter of time permitting me so many projects so little time..