Ann Lee and Major Thomas Youell

Hatte Blejer on hiatus
I sent you a message with links and info that does show the information is correct.

Hatte Blejer on hiatus It;s great you are using ELJ's book as a reference, but it is outdated and new information has been discovered and documented since it's publishing. If you go by that book then you will be deleting many descendants and lines as in William and Francis that have been proven - not to forget some of the Ditchley children that had been lost too.

That's fine. I knew he was not the end all and be all, but he's a start.

Please let me know if I need to reattach Penelope Youell. It appears so.

Dorcus Youell

Her dates have to be wrong if she is a daughter. Can you guys fix her up?

Elizabeth Lee Ann Watts / Walker / Payne

Her dates must be wrong if she's a daughter. Again, she needs to be researched and corrected.

I have Penelope as follows:

Ancestors of Patrick (II) SPENCE

Generation No. 1

1. Patrick (II) SPENCE, died Bef. Jul 1694 in Westmoreland Co., Virginia. He was the son of 2. Patrick SPENCE and 3. Dorcas Youell. He married (1) Penelope YOUELL.

More About Patrick (II) SPENCE:
Record Change: 06 Nov 2005

More About Penelope YOUELL:
Record Change: 06 Nov 2005

Generation No. 2

2. Patrick SPENCE, died Bef. Mar 1684 in Virginia. He married 3. Dorcas Youell.
3. Dorcas Youell, born Abt. 1670 in Va; died in Virginia. She was the daughter of Thomas Youell and Anne Lee.

More About Patrick SPENCE:
Record Change: 06 Nov 2005

Notes for Dorcas Youell:
Name: Dorcas YOUELL Sex: F Death: OCT/NOV 1708 in VirginiaFather: Capt. Thomas (II) YOUELL </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4567> Mother: Ann LEE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4568> b: 1654 in VirginiaMarriage 1 Patrick SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I3332>
Children
Elizabeth SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I3331> b: cir. 1660
Alexander SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4554>
Patrick (II) SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4555>
Eleanor SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4556>
John SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4557>
Thomas SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4558>
? SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4559>
Jane SPENCE </cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a32740&id=I4560>

More About Dorcas Youell:
Record Change: 06 Nov 2005

Children of Patrick SPENCE and Dorcas Youell are:
i. Alexander SPENCE, died Bef. Jun 1716 in Virginia; married Elizabeth BROWN.

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1 ii. Patrick (II) SPENCE, died Bef. Jul 1694 in Westmoreland Co., Virginia; married Penelope YOUELL.
iii. Eleanor SPENCE, married Andrew MONROE.

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iv. John SPENCE

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v. Thomas SPENCE, married ? THOMPSON.

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vi. ? SPENCE, married George WEEDON.

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vii. Jane SPENCE

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viii. Elizabeth SPENCE, born Abt. 1660; married John II STURMAN; born 1650 in Maryland; died 1723 in Westmoreland Co., Virginia.

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Burial: 1723, Westmoreland Co., Virginia
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Here's a good publishing I think may have some clarifications:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4246593

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Thomas_Youell_and_Anne_Lee_%281%29

"Westmoreland County Wills" pg. 12, Ann Hull lists granddaughters: Anne,
Winefrett, Penelope. 975.524, 52F.

Westmoreland County Wills Book II. Name: Thomas Youell 07 Dec 1694, 29 May 1695 10Pages 22a-23. Will of Thomas Youell of the Parish of Cople in the County of Westmoreland in Virginia, Gentleman, being sick and weak of body, dated 7 Dec. 1694. To my dear and loving wife Anna all my personal estate of what nature and quality soever, as servants, slaves, horses, cattle, sheep, hoggs, houshold stuff and all utensils, during her natural life. My said wife Anna all that tract whereon I now lives during her natural life, by estimation 950 acres. After her death the said land to my grandson Youell English, Youell Watts and their heirs. Two thirds of the personal estate to my three grandchildren Youel Watts, Youel English and Thomas Spence, after the death of my wife. To my grandson Youell Watts the occupation of any part of that land whereon my daughter Watts now liveth excepting what shall be laid out for my daughter’s thirds. I will that he seat himself thereon at the age of 18 years and not before, all which I give my grandson Youell Watts forever after the death of my said daughter Ann Watts and not before. To my grandson Thomas Spence one moiety of the land I bought of Stradder [?], to possess at the age of 18 years and not before, the other half having formerly been made over in the fee simple of it to my daughter Spence in Westmoreland Court. My loving wife executrix. Signed by Thomas Youell. Wit: John Gray, Richard Martaine, James Ellis.Codicil, 1 Jan 1694/5. Unto John Attwell the benefit of the escheat of B land. Unto my daughter Winefred all my plantation whereon Edward William now liveth containing 180 acres, for her life and after her decease to Youell English her son. Unto my said daughter Winefred five ewes and five lambs and the unto my three grandchildren Youell Watts, Youell English and Thomas Spence their parts of the two thirds part of my personal estate as they shall attain to their several ages of 18 years. Signed by Thomas Youell. Wit: Richard Martaine, John Gray, James Ellis. 29 May 1695 Will of Capt. Thomas Youell proved by Mr. James Ellis and John Gray. Probate granted to Madam Ann Youell.

"Yowell a Genealogical Collection" by Clark S Yowell date 1931Thomas Youell, of Nominy, in ye County of Westmorland and Anne Youell, wife of Ye sd. Thomas, one of ye daughters of Coll. Richd Lee, later of Straford Langthorn, in Ye Co: of Essex. decased, (executed a deed of release to) John Lee, of Lower Machotocks, in ye county of Westmorland, son and heir apparent to one of Ye Ex's of Ye airsd. Richd. Lee, deceased, (in which they relinquished all claim and any share in the estate of Richard Lee . The deed was dated June 23,1673)". "The Lee of Virginia""Yowell a Genealogical Collection" by Clark S Yowell date 1931Hauge Va, Oct 16, 1912"From where I am now sitting in my home a gentle descending plain reaches for three miles to Nomini River, which makes a graceful curve this ground Thomas Youell settled about 1650 and there Captain Thomas Youell died 1695. Captain Youell married a sister of his neighbor, Dr. John Lee and daughter of Richard Lee, inmmigrant of Northumberland. Captain Youell's children were principally daughters who intermarried with the familis of English, Watts, Spence and Atwell.

http://www.ewellfamily.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I19&amp...

Seems that there are Patrick Spence I, II, III whom did marry daughters

Private User Here is some of the discussion on the issues with the children of Thomas Youell and Ann Lee.

MEZ pointed out the issues with birth dates being odd.

About Penelope, Dorcas and Patrick Spence's

# Name: Penelope Youell
# Given Name: Penelope
# Surname: Youell
# Name: Dorcas
# Given Name: Dorcas
# Surname:
# Sex: F
# Birth: Abt 1670 in Westmoreland , Virginia
# Death: Y
# _UID: ABF669B50C514903AA86863F8AE32199840E
# Change Date: 21 Oct 2006 at 10:56
# Note:

24Vol. IV, p.674. Penelope4 Youell, b. prior to 1670, md. 1st, Patrick Spence 2nd, son of Patrick Spence, Sr., and wife, Dorcas. Patrick Spence 2nd d. about 1701. By Dec. 1, 1702, Penelope had married Thomas Thompson. By Patrick Spence 2nd, she had: 1. Patrick5 Spence, 3rd, who md. about 1715, a dau. of Col. George Eskridge, (first name unknown), who d. soon after her marriage. He md. 2nd, before 1722, Jemima Pope, dau. of Lawrence Pope. 2. Thomas Spence, md. Ann, or Alice, Thomason.

From Westmoreland County, Virginia, Order Book, 1690-1698, Part 3, pages 43-44:
«tab»Page 176a, 30 May 1695. Upon the petition of Mrs. PENELOPE SPENCE the tutorage and care of Ann Youel, an orphant daughter of Richard and Ann Youel, deceased, and Goddaughter and of near relation to PENELOPE is committed to PENELOPE, shee haveing assumed to provide decently for her and to bring her upp in housewifery and teach her to read. Ordered that shee be delivered to Mrs. SPENCE by Patrick Muckleroy where shee is now resident. PENELOPE SPENCE assumed to give Ann Youl her ward a young heifer worth 500 pounds of tobacco.

11Pages 211-14. Sale of estate of Thomas Thompson at outcry 16 Feb 1703 [1704]. The several persons mentioned hereunder being purchasers, confessed judgment to Alexander Spence,Gent., surviving executor of Patrick Spence deceased in right of Patrick Spence and Thomas Spence orphants of Patrick Spence, before Francis Wright, Henry Ashton and John Sturman, Gent., justices

23Will of Thomas Youell, Cople Parish, 7 Dec 1694; 29 May 1695. 95 acres of land to my wife and she to be exx; my grandsons Youell English, Youell Watts and Thomas Spence; daughter Ann Watts; John Atwell; daughter Spence; dau. Winfred English.

From Westmoreland County, Virginia, Order Book, 1690-1698, Part 3, page 10:
«tab»Page 148a, 29 Aug. 1694. Mrs. PENELOPE SPENCE and Mr. ALEXR. SPENCE returned an inventory of the estate of Mr. PATRICK SPENCE. Also the appraisement was returned.

GI
Patrick Spence II was married to Penelope Youell, daughter of Thomas Youell of Westmoreland County. Mrs. W.H. Whitley details this in her "Notes on the Spence Family," in Genealogies .... Vol. III, pp. 348-50. Thomas Youell, born in 1644, according to a deposition, wrote his will on December 7, 1694, and he mentioned his grandson, Thomas Spence. (WB 2, p. 22) Penelope Spence helped in the settling of Patrick II's estate. On August 29, 1694, she and Alexander Spence returned an inventory of Patrick's estate. (COB 1690-1698) And other circumstantial evidence also points to her as the wife of Patrick II.

After the death of Patrick II, Penelope married Thomas Thompson:

Judgment is granted John Newton Attorney of Rombout Phillipps, factor and agent of Frederick Phillipps, merchant of New York, against Thomas Thompson as marrieing Penelope Spence Executrix of Patrick Spence, for 3387 pounds of tobacco. (COB 1690-1698, p. 223, 27 Jan. 1696)

3

Another similar court order was granted James Thomas Thompson, and Penelope his wife, on 25 (COB 1690-1698, p. 233)

Patrick Spence and Penelope had children. The
orders tell us:

Westcomb against
February 1696/7.

following court

30 September 1703. Upon the motion of Alexr. Spence Gent. in behalf of the orphants of Patrick Spence, his deceased brother, it is ordered that Thomas Thompson who intermarried with Penelope the relict of Patrick, since also deceased, be cited to render unto the Court an account of the estate of Patrick Spence belonging to his orphants. (COB 1698-1705, p. 202)

24 November 1703. Thomas Thompson being cited to answer the petition of Alexr. Spence Gent. relateing to the orphants of Patrick Spence it is ordered that Thompson draw upp and settle accounts before the next Court between the orphants and himself and give security for the same or otherwise to surrender the orphants' estates to Alexr. Spence. And in case Thomas Thompson doe give security, it is ordered he deliver two mulattto servants now in his possession to Alexr. Spence for and towards the maintainance of Patrick Spence and Thomas Spence, orphants, or give security for the payment of what Alexr. Spence shall defray in maintaining of them. (COB 1698-1705, p. 205)

24 February 1703/4. John Chilton assumed with Mr. Thomas Thompson to Alexr. Spence Gent. in behalf of Patrick Spence and Thomas Spence, orphants of Patrick Spence, for 5416 pounds of tobacco due to the orphants. And in case Alexr. Spence should die before the receipt of the tobacco, then John Chilton and Thomas Thompson doe oblige themselves to pay to the orphants when they arrive to their respective ages. (COB 1698-1705, p. 222)

Note: @N3945@
@N3945@ NOTE
Winifred (Youell) English and Walter English, Jr. had four children by her first marriage, Walter, Youell, Edmund and Lucy English.
She apparently had only one child by her marriage to John Atwell.
The will of Thomas Youell (abstract) states will dated 7 Dec. 1694 and proved May 1695 and mentions grandsons Youell English, Youell Watts and Thomas Spence; daughter Ann Watts; John Atwell; *daughter Spence; daug. Winifred English. Thomas Surman had a daughter Ann who married Capt. Thomas Youell. Their son Thomas Youell married Anna Lee. This son, Thomas Youell is the one who made the will in 1694. His daughter, Penelope married first Patrick Spence Jr. (son of Patrick Spence Sr. and Dorcas---). Penelopes sister Winnifred m. Walter English and had a son Youell and sister Ann married first William Watts who had a son Youell Watts". *It is Penelope Youell Spence who is being refered to in her fathers will as "daughter Spence".

# D: I7051
# Name: Patrick Spence III
# Surname: Spence
# Given Name: Patrick
# Suffix: III
# Sex: M
# Birth: 1685/1692 in , Westmoreland Co., Virginia
# Death: 1739/1740 in , Westmoreland Co., Virginia
# _UID: 1921CAC25A66D511B4DE99B85F718F39E7F0
# Note:

! (1) Carolyn Tayloe Davidson Carey, Greenwood Village, CO 80111. Cites: (a) "Wills of Westmoreland Co., VA 1654-1800," by Augusta Fothergill, p.66,67.
(2) "1658-1758 Charles County MD Familes 'The first 100 years': Wills, Court, Church, Land, Inventories & Accounts," by Michael Marshall (http://wc.rootsweb.com, mrmarsha database, 3 Nov 2007). Cites: (a) "Westmoreland County, Virginia Deeds & Wills No. 5 (1712-1716)," by John Frederick Dorman, p.254-262.

! Birth: (2) s/o Patrick SPENCE/Penelope Anne YOUELL. Between age 14 and 21 in 1706 [b. btween 1685 and 1692]. Westmoreland Co., VA.
Marriage to __ ESKRIDGE: (1a) (2) 1715. Westmoreland Co., VA.
Marriage to Jemima POPE: (1a) Penelope POPE. (2) Jemima POPE. Abt 1720. Westmoreland Co., VA. Will named wife Jemima.
Death: (2) Will dtd 10 Dec 1739, probated 25 Mar 1740, Westmoreland Co., VA.

(2) 1706, Jan: Patrick, orphan son of Patrick SPENCE, appeared in the Westmoreland Co., VA Court in and elected George ESKRIDGE as his guardian. According to VA law, he had to be 14 years of age to do so. To be listed as an minor orphan he would have been under 21 years of age. Therefore, his birthdate can be calculated as 1685 to 1692.
(2a) 1717, 16 Aug: Samuel RUST made his will. Unto Mr. Patrick SPENCE during his natural life the plantation whereon he now lived adjoyning to the land of Mr. James COLEMAN as the line between them now stands and the inmost line in the woods next COLEMAN's and on that side of the runn next Mr. Thomas BONAM's and COLEMAN's, he not making any wast on the land nor selling nor making use of any timber save for the use of the plantation. If Mr. Patrick SPENCE thinks fitt, the dwelling house given him by his father in law Capt. George ESKRIDGE may stand as it now does on the other side of the runn and he have land adjoining to the house for necessary houses and gardening. To my son Peter RUST after the decease of Mr. Patrick SPENCE the plantation whereon Patrick now lives with the land adjoining but in case Peter dies before he comes to the age of twenty one yeares or without issue, the plantation fall to my son Matthew RUST and his heirs. To my son Matthew RUST the moyety of that tract of land on which Mr. Patrick SPENCE now lives, the whole containing 300 acres, to be equally divided as to quantity and quality between Matthew and Peter RUST.
(2) 1739, 10 Dec: Patrick SPENCE made his will. To son Patrick SPENCE all the lands I now liveon as also my lands in Nomony forest, also 1/3 of my stock and household goods, also six choice slaves.
To son Youell SPENCE all my lands below Nominy Ferry, being the land given me by Mr. Youell WATTS, deceased. After my wife Jemima's thirds are set apart the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my four children Elizabeth SPENCE, Jemima SPENCE, Mary SPENCE and Youell SPENCE; All my estate to be left together until son Patrick comes of age. Executors to be my wife Jemima and son-in-law Nicholas MINOR Junior, until my son Patrick comes of age, then he to be my executor. Wits. William CAMPBELL, Edward RANDDELL, Joseph McADAM."
(2) 1740, 25 Mar: Will probated, Westmoreland Co., VA.

# Change Date: 11 Nov 2007 at 00:00:00

Father: Patrick Spence b: ABT 1658 in , Westmoreland Co., Virginia
Mother: Penelope Anne Youell b: ABT 1662 in , Kent Co., Maryland

More :

Thomas and Anne:

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Thomas_Youell_and_Anne_Lee_%281%29

Parents: Thomas Youell and Anne Sturman
Thomas Youell
b. Est. 1645-1655
d. May 1695 Westmoreland County, Virginia

Parents: Richard Lee and Anne Constable
Anne Lee
b. 1654 Dividing Creek, Northumberland County, Virginia
d. Bef. 01 December 1702 Westmoreland County, Virginia
m. Bef. June 1673 Virginia
▼Facts and Events
Marriage Bef. June 1673 Virginia
▼Children
Birth Death
1.
Elizabeth Youell

bef. 1674 Prob. Virginia

aft. 1699
2.
Penelope Ann Youell

bef. 1677 Prob. Virginia


3.
Ann Youell

abt. 1676 Prob. Virginia


4.
Jemima Youell

abt. 1678 Virginia


5.
Winifred Youell

abt. 1680 Virginia


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Categories: Youell surname | Lee surname | Youell in Virginia | Lee in Virginia

http://awt.ancestrylibrary.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&amp;db=flakey...

20. John STURMAN was born 1623 in Haddenham, Buckinghamshire, England, and died 1655 in , Westmoreland Co., VA. He was the son of 40. Thomas STURMAN and 41. Ann PORTER.

21. Elizabeth UNKNOWN was born 1623.

Child of Elizabeth UNKNOWN and John STURMAN is:
10. i. John STURMAN was born 1650 in , , Md, and died Bef 27 Nov 1723 in , Westmoreland Co., VA. He married Anna UNKNOWN. He married Elizabeth SPENCE Abt 1677 in , Westmoreland Co., VA, daughter of Patrick SPENCE and Dorcas YOUELL. She was born Abt 1650. He married Dorcas NORRIE Bef 1676.

22. Patrick SPENCE was born 1633 in , Westmoreland Co., VA, and died 1689 in , Westmoreland Co., VA. He was the son of 44. William SPENCE.

23. Dorcas YOUELL was born 1635 in Westmoreland, Virginia, and died Bef 24 Nov 1708 in , Westmoreland Co., VA. She was the daughter of 46. Thomas (Ewell) YOUELL and 47. Anne LEE.

Children of Dorcas YOUELL and Patrick SPENCE are:
i. Alexander SPENCE was born Abt 1632, and died Bef 30 Aug 1704 in , Westmoreland Co., VA.
ii. Patrick SPENCE was born Abt 1634, and died Bef 25 Mar 1740 in , Westmoreland Co., VA. He married Jemima UNKNOWN. She died Bef 30 Sep 1755 in , Westmoreland Co., VA.
iii. Elenor SPENCE was born Abt 1636 in , Westmoreland, Virginia, and died After 1708 in , , Virginia. She married Andrew MONROE, son of Andrew MONROE and Elizabeth ALEXANDER. He was born 1661 in Westmoreland, VA, and died 1714 in , Westmoreland Co., VA.
iv. John SPENCE was born Abt 1638.
v. Thomas SPENCE was born Abt 1640.
11. vi. Elizabeth SPENCE was born Abt 1650. She married John STURMAN Abt 1677 in , Westmoreland Co., VA, son of John STURMAN and Elizabeth UNKNOWN. He was born 1650 in , , Md, and died Bef 27 Nov 1723 in , Westmoreland Co., VA.
vii. Jane SPENCE was born Abt 1652. She married James WEEDON.

http://schooley.us/GedBase/Record.asp?pg=Individual&amp;id=@I02713@

Dorcas Youell:

Dorcas Youell
1635-1708
Individual Notes Pedigree Descendants
Name: Dorcas Youell
Sex: Female
Birth: 1635
Death: 24 Nov 1708 in Cople Parish, Westmoreland Co., VA

Father: Thomas Youell (Capt.)
Mother: Anne Lee

Husband: Patrick Spence, Sr. (Lt.) - 1633-1684
Child: John Spence
Child: Elizabeth Spence - 1657-1708
Child: Patrick Spence - d: 1701
Child: Jane Spence
Child: Alexander Spence - d: 1708
Child: Thomas Spence
Child: Ellenor Spence

Virginia County Record Publication; Westmoreland Co. William Armstrong Crozier 1913

Will: Jordan, Dorcas, of Cople, 25 Oct 1708; 24 Nov 1708 Grandson Patrick son of Alexander Spence, gent.
decd.; to Jordan Weedon and his sister Mary Weedon now wife to the son of Bunch Roe; to Dorcas Sanford, daug
of my eldest daug Elizabeth Sturman; daug Jane Spence; daug Ellenor Munroe; friends John Sturman; John
Higgins and law. Pope exors.; to Wm. Moxle Snr.; to Samuel Gray, Clerk; to Jemima Pope, Anna Sturman Snr.;
Anna Sturman Jrn.; son in law John Sturman

Researchersssanfordg@@aol.com

SPENCE, PATRICK, 10 Dec. 1739; 25 March 1704.
Son Patrick; son Youell Spence the land given me by Youell Watts, decd.; wife Jemima; my four children Elizabeth, Jemima, Mary and Youell Spence; exrs. my wife and son in law Nicholas Minor Jr. until son Patrick comes of age.

http://awt.ancestrylibrary.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&amp;db=flakey...

15. Anne LEE (Richard Henry LEE2, Jane HANCOCK1) was born 1652-1654 in , Northampton, Northcumberland, Virginia, and died 1701 in Of, Westmoreland, Virginia. She married Thomas (Ewell) YOUELL 1670 in , Northumberland, Va, son of Thomas YOWELL and Ann STURMAN. He was born 1650 in Colony Of, Virginia, and died 1655-1665 in Westmoreland, Virginia.

Children of Anne LEE and Thomas (Ewell) YOUELL are:
50 i. Thomas YOUELL was born Abt 1637 in , and died 1695 in , Westmoreland, Virginia.
51 ii. Ann YOUELL EWELL was born Abt 1639 in <, Westmoreland, Virginia>.
+ 52 iii. Dorcas YOUELL was born 1635 in Westmoreland, Virginia, and died Bef 24 Nov 1708 in , Westmoreland Co., VA.
53 iv. Penelope Ann YOUELL was born Abt 1670 in , Westmoreland, Virginia, and died in , Of Westmoreland, Virginia.
54 v. Elizabeth Ann YOUELL was born Abt 1670 in Colony Of, Virginia, and died After 1699.
55 vi. Jemima YOUELL was born Abt 1678 in Colony Of, Virginia.
56 vii. Winifred YOUELL was born Abt 1680 in Virginia, Colony.

Jemima Youell:

http://www.ewellfamily.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I44&amp...

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Birth Abt 1678 Colony Of, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Gender Female
AFN QFGF-HG
Person ID I44 Ewell's in America
Last Modified 04 Apr 2006

Father Thomas YOUELL, Jr., b. Abt 1644, , , Maryland Find all individuals with events at this location, d. May 1695, , Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Mother Anna LEE, b. 1654, , Northampton, Northcumberland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1701, Of, Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Married 1670 , Northumberland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Family ID F10 Group Sheet

Family Patrick III SPENCE, b. Bef Feb 1693, , Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1739/1740, , Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Children
1. Youell SPENCE, b. <1712>, , Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 4 May 1755
2. Thomas SPENCE, b. Abt 1710, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
> 3. Patrick SPENCE, IV, b. Abt 1712, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1765, , Westmoreland, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
> 4. Elizabeth SPENCE, b. Abt 1714, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 6 May 1755
> 5. Jemima SPENCE, b. Abt 1716, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 6 May 1755
6. Mary SPENCE, b. Abt 1718, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 6 May 1755
Family ID F14 Group Sheet

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Sources
1. [S1] Paul's Ewell Combined Database, Paul Jensen plus various contributors.

2. [S3] Yowell Files, Paul A. Jensen.

3. [S4] Ancestral File (TM), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998).

Can we verify the birth / death dates of Ann Lee and Major Thomas Youell?

The dates for some of the children just do not work. They would be born before the parents.

I need 2 - 3 RELIABLE, preferably primary sources. I'm now more confused than before as to who the children of Ann Lee and Thomas Youell were.

And whose child was Penelope Youell? Not Ann and Thomas Youell's because she married Dorcas'

The research shows all "Abouts" because there have been no conclusive records found - either lost or destroyed - what we have are wills, court records and land records.

If you can find what others have been researching for decades - that would be wonderful - but what we have is what evidence can produce - sorry Hatte.

Hatte Blejer on hiatus
"Jacqueli has: Winfred (English), Elizabeth (Watts), but has two different daughters married to a Patrick Spence (Jemima and Dorcas). I suspect that only one of these is correct. She also has a Mary with no other information."

Both are correct - there are 2 Patrick Spences by record - father and son.

Now this is the descent data I have for Anne and Thomas confirmed by Jim Lawler:

1
Descendants of Thomas Youell
1 Thomas Youell 1650 -
.. +Anne Lee 1653 - 1701
........ 2 Dorcas Youell 1670 -
............ +Patrick SPENCE - 1684
................... 3 Alexander SPENCE - 1716
....................... +Elizabeth BROWN
................... 3 Patrick (II) SPENCE - 1694
....................... +Penelope YOUELL
................... 3 Eleanor SPENCE
....................... +Andrew MONROE
............................. 4 Spence MONROE
................................. +Elizabeth JONES
........................................ 5 James MONROE
............................. 4 Andrew (III) MONROE
................................. +Christian TYLER
........................................ 5 Spence MONROE
............................. 4 Susannah MONROE
................................. +Benjamin GRAYSON
............................. 4 Elizabeth MONROE
................................. +Thomas ARRINGTON
................... 3 John SPENCE
................... 3 Thomas SPENCE
....................... +? THOMPSON
................... 3 ? SPENCE
....................... +George WEEDON
................... 3 Jane SPENCE
................... 3 Elizabeth SPENCE 1660 -
....................... +John II STURMAN 1650 - 1723
............................. 4 Dorcas STURMAN
................................. +Thomas SANFORD - 1749
........................................ 5 Richard SANFORD - 1757
........................................ 5 Thomas SANFORD - 1770
........................................ 5 Robert SANFORD
............................. 4 William STURMAN - 1732
................................. +Sarah ELLIOTT
............................. 4 Jemima STURMAN
................................. +Thomas STONE 1660 -
............................. 4 John (II) STURMAN 1679 -
................................. +Elizabeth Payne
............................. 4 Elizabeth STURMAN 1680 - 1735
................................. +John STEWART
............................. *2nd Husband of Elizabeth STURMAN:
................................. +Bryant MURPHY
............................. *3rd Husband of Elizabeth STURMAN:
................................. +Thomas MUSE
........ *2nd Husband of Dorcas Youell:
............ +John JORDAN
........ 2 Elizabeth Ann Youell 1672 - 1699
............ +James WATTS 1670 - 1699
................... 3 Youell WATTS 1691 - 1726
................... 3 John WATTS 1694 - 1754
................... 3 Spencer WATTS 1697 -
........ *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Ann Youell:
............ +Charles Walker 1675 -
................... 3 William Walker 1702 -
........ *3rd Husband of Elizabeth Ann Youell:
............ +COOPER 1680 -
................... 3 daughter COOPER 1710 -
....................... +TAYLOR 1710 -
........ 2 Mary Youell 1674 -
........ 2 Jemima Youell 1678 -
............ +Patrick Spence 1676 -
................... 3 Thomas Spence 1710 -
................... 3 Patrick jr Spence 1712 -
................... 3 Elizabeth Spence 1714 -
....................... +Youell Sanford 1700 - 1794
................... 3 Jemima Spence 1716 -
................... 3 Mary Spence 1718 -
................... 3 Youell Spence 1720 -
........ 2 Winifred Youell 1680 -
............ +mr ENGLISH 1770 -
................... 3 Youell ENGLISH 1705 -

I still have some questions:

Did Jemima and Dorcas REALLY both marry men named Patrick Spence?

The dates of Elizabeth Ann Youell (1672 - 1699) conflict with her having three husbands and having a child born in 1710.

Where did Penelope Youell who married Patrick Spence II come from?? Who are her parents?

Am I reading the dates on Elizabeth Ann Youell wrong? What year did she did in?

I see THREE Patrick Spences. (1) married to Dorcas; (2) his son, Patrick II married to Penelope Youell; (3) another one married to Jemima.

Hatte Blejer on hiatus I have presented what the legal sources and documentation states - there were 3 Patrick Spences -all 3 separate individuals - this descent and records are based on the wills, probate, land transactions and court records that have been uncovered on these individuals. Because birth records were never recovered, probably because of fire and/or the wars that had occurred - it is not based on speculation, opinions or assumptions - and it was not uncommon back then for cousins to marry. It is what it is - there are alot of arguments about this particular lineage out there and different interpretations - but this is based on the factual evidence presented - nothing more. You can look at the "about" on the birth and death - but these have been estimates based on the court records - generally giving 10 years give or take on the possible deaths or births - that has been done for many in genealogy if actual birth records cannot be traced or found. There is too much evidential records to doubt the actual facts of the documentation that has been recovered. Even some of our most prominent figures in history have had "about" dates in general which apply in these circumstances. So I am just presenting you with what I have and Jim Lawler had based on those facts.

How could Elizabeth Ann Youell have children in 1702 and 1710 if she died in 1699? That's the kind of thing that makes me stop and ask questions first, before spending time building out the tree.

I realize that for whatever reason, this branch is full of mysteries.

Okay on Saturday or Sunday, I will tackle the rest of this family.

As for the strange dates for Elizabeth, I will note that they must be incorrect.

Let me know if there are still issue with the family.

I have she died after 1699 - maybe the "aft" did pick up on the report - its on the other one.

In fact you can see the abouts and afters didn't show - that;s all

That makes more sense. Thanks.

It was there all along - even the first time around - I guess you and Erica just missed it all.