Heraldic Visitation Project

Started by Steven Patrick Frank on Saturday, February 26, 2011
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2/26/2011 at 2:44 PM

Hello all!
I'm thinking about starting a new project, and wanted to gauge interest/get feedback on how to approach it.

I want to start a project cataloging the persons mentioned in the various Heraldic Visitations to England. The Visitations, for those not familiar, were visits in the 16th and 17th centuries by the King of Arms to various counties to determine if families claiming a certain coat of arms were using it with proper authorization from the College of Arms. The King of Arms would record the persons living at each house bearing a Coat of Arms, as well as their genealogy back to the original bearer of that Coat of Arms. So it was half census, half genealogy. If you ever wondered how a big tree of early non-noble English ancestors got attached to your tree, this is probably the primary source for that info.

I was thinking it might be interesting to link to the Visitation, which are available on Google Books and Archive.org, to the Geni profiles of those mentioned. And if there is a good source of heraldic images to use, maybe add the proper heraldry graphic to everyone mentioned.

Anyone interested in working on a project like this? I won't lie, it would be huge. An average Visitation is 300+ pages of family trees. There were as many as six made to some counties. Plus there is the difficulty of locating the profiles already in Geni for these people.

So what does everyone think? worth doing? Or just too much effort? Maybe break it down on a county by county basis?

2/27/2011 at 1:06 AM

Private User

This might be up your alley. :)

It would be a terrific place to store arms images correctly.

Personally I'd like Visitation Projects on the more Northerly counties to tie in with my High Sheriff of Lancaster and High Sheriff of Cheshire Projects. Counties that cover Haughton / Houghtons, Musgrave / Musgroves, and umm Montagues! also welcome.

http://www.geni.com/projects/High-Sheriff-of-Cheshire
http://www.geni.com/projects/High-Sheriff-of-Lancashire

2/27/2011 at 6:03 AM

I went ahead and created a project. It has the benefit of letting people on Geni know exactly which coat of arms belongs to their family, so I think that is a worthwhile benefit.

http://www.geni.com/projects/Heraldic-Visitations-of-England-and-Wales

To make the project a bit more manageable in scope, I'll just add one or two people per family. The visitations each have maybe 50-200 families, which is easier than adding thousands of people to the project immediately. Since each family is on roughly one page, it can easily be expanded to the other people mentioned by just copy/pasting the same link.

I do need a good database of heraldry if anyone knows one. The Visitations have black and white depictions of the heraldry, but I'd have to use photo editing software to cut it out. It would be much easier if there is a good database out there somewhere, which I'm sure there must be.

2/27/2011 at 6:14 AM

Steven

This source is good - I used it for Peter Montague "The Immigrant". It's also verified by two different authorities that he was entitled to use it.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.M

Private User
2/27/2011 at 9:04 AM

Steven,
One of the very first projects ever, when this new tool was started was one of the Visitations. They are fascinating documents because the base document was written at the time of the visit.

Right now, when I am not working on my own branch of the tree, I am focused on 1611-1806 England. I have a book about the early baronets of England. Sometimes I have to work backwards for a century or two to make certain I have the correct lineage for my baronets. The visitations are great tools.

By the way, my book describes the arms but has no pictures. Some of the nobles have their own projects. I would love to see their arms displayed on their projects.

2/27/2011 at 5:00 PM

http://www.geni.com/projects/The-Visitation-of-Norfolk-in-1563

Let's make sure to "relate" this Project to the other Visitations.

2/28/2011 at 6:19 AM

I am adding direct links to the visitations in the resources section of this project.

Private User, is the Norfolk project still active? It says it was to be disbanded after it was done. If it is a dead project, would it be okay to fold it in to this project as a sub-project?

Private User
2/28/2011 at 8:07 AM

Steven,
At this time, no further work is being done on the project. We believe we found every family that was listed in the book and added them to the project.

A "dead" project still remains in the project folder because it might be useful research down the road. The first phase of projects was to assist in Geni's efforts to complete as many merges as possible. The next stage is to complete the sourcing and timelines and then to write the overviews. When we are running out of merges, we will have these related profiles in one place for sourcing, etc.

Yes, please feel free to use this project as a sub-project in your own work. In fact, feel free to use any of the project overview text that will help you in writing yours. In the early days of projects, it was one pointed out for how a project should be laid out.

Private User
2/28/2011 at 8:11 AM

@Ric Dickinson, Geni Curator

Ric, you wear such an asset on the first visitation project, let us know if you are interested in working on another.

3/8/2011 at 6:57 AM

Can anyone tell me how to add unconnected people? A lot of the persons in the Visitations will be new additions. I'm not sure how to add them. I tried adding them as spouses to existing people and then disconnecting them, but it geni wouldn't let me disconnect them, said it would break the tree.

Private User
3/8/2011 at 9:28 AM

You can ask a curator like me to cut the connection for you - it does however require that the profile is public.

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