Catherine Balthazar

Hi Jane, Can you post the "link" to the profile as well? It's the Internet address at the very top of the page. You can just cut and paste it into the discussion.

Also, there is a separate discussion "thread" that is labeled "Assistance ... Curators" where questions and requests get very quick response.

Here's a link to the discussion thread I mentioned for future use:
http://www.geni.com/discussions/80793

I looked and there are 8 profiles that match Catherine Balthazar.

Hatte

There are indeed 8 matches, but only two managed by Jane, and only 1 of those is a mother.

Jane previously had difficulty posting links, and I helped her in the past.

Hatte - if you can look at this as a curator as I can't:

I think the issue is one tree with dates that are different from another tree, rather than mixed generations.

See for example http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000009866338600

Jane and I both reckon they are the same person - just that the dates are out.

There are a host of merges there that Jane and I can't complete. Can you complete them as a curator? Once the conflicting dates are resolved, the problem might then be solved.

Thanks, David, I assumed that Jane was talking about profiles she managed, but thought I should ask.

I'll take a look at this, hopefully this evening.

Hatte: It's always good to ask and not to make assumptions. In this case, the profiles where I have pointed you are managed by Jane and do match the issue she is describing.

I merged the two based on what I found on the Internet. It seems like Darryl put her wedding date in her profile versus her birthdate. That's an easy mistake to make. I didn't find any other Marie Catherine Kinseler married to Michel Amable Balthazor Dit St. Martin :-)

I added this to her "About Me" but of course you should take over and fill out her profile. I think that you can now fix any Data Conflicts or I can, if you need me to.

* Born 1772 Ste. Marie de Monnoir, Rouville, Quebec
* Married Michel Amable Balthazor Dit St. Martin on October 25, 1790.
* Died circa August 12, 1813
* Children include

1. Joseph b. July 14, 1796
2. Marie-Martine b. January 29, 1806

Here's one of the sources: http://www.deloriahurst.com/deloriahurst%20page/5698.html. I believe this source cites a primary source in a footnote, which should really be the source.

Thank you Hatte. With your curator's hat on, can you also complete the merges on her husband and children?

For future reference, would someone be kind enough to link the profile (tag it) as well?

Yes Erica - we are talking in code at the moment.

It's Marie-Catherine Balthazar

It was possible to deduce that from the merge I posted.

Hatte: I also added a link to that web page in the About Me, and as you say that points to other sources.

Marie-Catherine Balthazar

Sorry, good point Erica.

Also, I don't know the naming conventions for French Canadians but I believe her last name needs to be Kinseler. Isn't this correct, Erica?

I will look at her husband and children. I did not find supporting material in my cursory look at the Internet except for the two children I posted above.

David - normally we prefer primary sources as the family trees out on the Internet tend to copy one from the other, so there are often chains of errors. What I do if I can't find primary sources is try to find a family tree that cites primary sources and seems to be well sourced.

Michel-Amable Balthazar

I merged the two profiles for Michel Amable. Someone needs to confirm his birth date.

My understanding is that in Quebec the father's surname is always the last name, yes.

http://www.grr9.net/family/ahnentafel.htm#i234 seems to have good sources for Michel Amable and the children.

Hatte - I entirely agree with you. I can give you many examples of family trees on the Internet copying errors one to another.

That page on the Internet is not a source in its own right, but it does at least today reference some primary sources. So referring to that web page is at the moment a stopgap measure till the primary sources are checked.

Regarding the additional children, even without a primary source, we have at the moment on Geni two obviously duplicated sets - hence the merge requests.

David,

Deduction just doesn't work for me when there are 51 million profiles for some reason. :) :)

Erica, You mean Jane might come back to us and say "You've done a really great job of clearing that area up - well done - but it wasn't actually the profile I had in mind ..." :) :)

Especially when I'm in other people's family trees and I don't know the culture/language, I try to be very cautious. I have made mistakes and it's embarrassing and potentially offensive since it's not my family or culture :)

:)

Sorry, I lost Internet, phone, and cable in the midst of fixing up the children.

Two questions - where is Darrell Balthazor who did a lot of good research? Has he left Geni? Is that why he's not involved in the merge?

Second question - it looks like there's some issue with the two infant Amables who died that will take a bit more to sort out.

I've completed the children merges. There is an issue with the dates for one of the children. I'm going to go in and fix the data conflicts. Darrell Balthazor stuck close to the naming standards and I am going to "prefer" his data on names.

You may want to ask a curator who curates French Canadian profiles to take these under her/his wing.

Hatte - Jane sought our help and I think that at the time Darrell wasn't around. However, I now see that Darrell was online today. So we should definitely be advising Jane to work with Darrell from here on.

Hopefully Jane and Darrell can sort things out themselves from here on - with only occasional curator help as required from time to time.

There are two Francois Balthazor Dit St. Martin. One is locked and belongs to Darrell Balthazor so they cannot be merged.

Darrell clearly did some good research and as far as I saw got the names as they should be in the original French and French Canadian, so best to work directly with him as David says.

And he is a direct ancestor if you read the link above where he talks about the family.

I have now had some luck finding some links back to France. As we all know the Martin Balthazard (Balthazor, Balthazar) dit St Martin - 1755 from St. Maurice, Metz, Lorraine to Quebec and the Richelieu River Valley is the patriach of the Balthazor Family. This past August six of us spent considerable time in Quebec, Montreal and the Richelieu (St Mathias, St Denis, St Marie,etc.) looking for information and just enjoying the atmosphere. I am still trying to sort out my information.
I have now turned to France. I lived in Europe for six years some time back and traveled in my VW van through what I now consider the area out ancestors lived. More on that in a few days. It is interesting that there are 56 St Maurice's in France. I have narrowed them down to four within 50 miles of Metz. I want to go back next fall. I am hopeful I will get beyond the Jean Balthazard and the Margurite Daille (d'Aille) connection. Darrell Balthazor
d.balthazor@comcast.net 5028 Brighton Pl, Mukilteo, WA 98275

Hi Darrell, it's a fascinating family and I enjoyed learning a little about them. What is the origin of the surname?

I am positive that there are good genealogy resources in France. I am slightly familiar with those related to Jewish families in Alsace and Lorraine and those are good.

It seems like it would be useful for the founding generations to be made into Master Profiles, which a French Canadian curator would be best suited to do.

Here is a site you should know.... wonderful European links to many Balthazard's

http://www.geneanet.org

I will be on a trip for a few days so not available.
Darrell