Norman French families in England (Anglo-Normans) in the 11th-14th c

OK, put my curator mark on Helewise de Stuteville who has been cleaned up substantially thank goodness, and will start my study with her.

Appreciate that, Erica. There is a pedigree source from online that I highlighted in one of the Stuteville's About Me section. I think it might have been in the Osmund who supposedly went on the Third Crusade. Best of luck.

The Third Crusade? More mass murder? When are we getting "The Peaceful People" study discussion going. I have Quakers too you know.

I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a mass-murdering Quaker somewhere, lurking on the tree, killing in the name of peace.

You know, one of my greatest disappointments has been that in my collection of ancestors, I don't have a single Muslim identified yet. A few mass-murdering saints, but no Muslims. Or Hindus. Or Zoroastrians. Along with a link to Andrew Jackson, I really wanted a Zoroastrian...

I really want a link to Andrew Jackson too! Badly!!! My "brick wall" great great grandmother was Elizabeth Jackson and claimed to be a cousin, but we think she was just talkin', as the Rosses pretended to be descended from Betsy Ross, and that is not possible.

We need to build the tree better to hook in the Zoroastrians. Or is it establish a connection to Marco Polo? :) :)

Pam,

I am so sorry for going off topic on this discussion.

Let me bring it back on track with the keyword that solves many mysteries:

Vikings.

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I started a separate discussion for Boyds of Scotland here:

http://www.geni.com/discussions/6000000010123465246

You two are so entertaining with your banter. Weren't you discussing the battle strategies of the Zoroastrian unit in the Battle of Hastings? Or that subgroup of Muslim Vikings who settled in Rouen? Or Sir Andrew fitzJacques, the Knight who led the Crusade against the Cherokee?

No wonder profiles get confla-genigrated!

Pam,

I'm still laughing. Thank you!

Any time, Erica, any time. As long as we keep it in the 11th and 12th centuries <smile> or thereabouts!

[Off-topic to Erica: I do indeed think that "Sir Andrew FitzJacques, Knight, the Crusader and Indian Remover" is a brilliant name for our infamous American President who commanded the Cherokee Removal. Have you ever read the text of his appalling and outrageous 1829 State of the Union speech? (check it out at http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/jackson/stateo...)]

Error 404 error I'm afraid. But note: add it as a "source / event" to the Andrew Jackson profile (if we can find the Andrew Jackson profile and make an MP :).

Oh -- right -- over to the President / VP project boys ...

Sorry--still off topic, Anglo Norman researcher friends...

Erica: that's very strange--I copied the URL and was on the site--I think something cut off the end of it on the Geni publishing end. Wonder if there's a character limit to URLs on Geni?? Anyway, you can Google it, which is what I did. It's the section on the CHerokee that is patronizing and condescending that will make you cringe....

the "problem" with the URL is that you put it in (). and thus the ) got attached to the link. You always need to add a space after the URL itself. Erica, just click the link, and then remove the ) yourself.

I go to sleep, and suddenly my mother's maiden name becomes FitzJacques. How will I explain this to my bank account PIN manager?

That's it, I'm never going to sleep again (where's the Yerba Mate?).

I bet I could write a script to change all the Jacksons in the database to FitzJacques.

We could call it "Revenge of the Scots."

That's Scots, not Scotch. They object to being drunk.

They object to being drunk? That's not what I heard...
"Rome was built on Seven Hills, Dufftown stands on Seven Stills"

Of course this has little to do with Anglo Normans in the 11th-14th century. Sorry.

Sure it does, because it's all about the Vikings.

Ninjas are MUCH cooler than Vikings. Because they, like, surprise you!

I dunno... Sigurd Storada (supposedly a daughter of a Viking king) kind of surprised me when I came across her...

You guys are better than comedy central : )

Well, actually, Erica, Fitz is Norman French, not originally Scots. I believe it's an elision of "fils de" (son of) or whatever was the equivalent in Ye Olde or Middle French as the Normans spoke it....

Meg, we'll miss you this week! Shall we merge all the deClares together into one giant stew while you're away from your computer?

(Just kidding!! Please, calm down! I didn't mean it!)

But seriously, let me know if you want me to complete any merges on them or leave them for when you return.

Pam,

See why I joined this study group? Fitz is a FRENCH word?

That must be ninja work.

ahh, great way to start a Monday -- Geni humor!

Hi, Pam! Here's an intriguing one I traced ... Eleanor Gerard, b1467, m John Warren (my 15th GG's). Gerard became de Windsor (1070), became Gherardini (970), the dukes of Florence, Italy (my 32nd GG!)!
Kitty

Now that is interesting, Kitty. What brought them to Italy?

Perhaps because, they didn't have Pizza deliveries back then? ;-)

You do know I am visualizing Fitz the Pizza Guy in a ninja hood, right?