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Colonel Robert "King" Carter, I - and Judith Armistead, has attracted Barnacles

Started by Private User on Sunday, April 20, 2025
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They currently have "three" daughters Elizabeth, one known to be correct and two highly suspect.

Elizabeth Nicholas Master Profile, verified

Elizabeth Nicholas Dubious half-sister, partially patched - note that "daughter" Leannah's birth surname is NicholSON, not NicholAS.

Elizabeth Bodie Probably misparented.

My file on Robert "King" Carter is
www.multiwords.de/genealogy/Ct9RobertCarter.html
My maternal grandmother's Nicholas line to him, his mother and her Ludlow family of Hill Deverill as earlier included in the 17th century Heralds' Visitations was registered at the College of Arms in 1974 on the basis of primary documentation (certified copies of wills, deeds and other contemporary documents. No secondary documentation such as publications accepted for such registration.) The College of Arms drew up a pedigree of the Ludlows going back to King Alfred the Great and Charlemagne and sent it to me. When I began putting my 3000 or so pages of hardcopy genealogical research into digital form in January 2006 I googled with all loose end names, which brought in endless avalanches of data from thousands of unauthenticaed sources on all possible branches of my ancestry and as many collateral lines as possible, which I have pieced together in about 5000 website pages. From 2009 on Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA matches and descent lines.of my matches have been noted in these files From 2012 on autosomal DNA matches have been noted.
No complete and authenticated data on Robert "King" Carter's children was available in the internet for a long time, nor on his siblings nor half siblings, nor on his first, second and third cousins, nor on any of their descendants. But in time I have been able to round out the picture, allbeit from hearsay not authenticated.
Robert "King" Carter amassed 7 plantations and 1000 slaves in his lifetime, married twice and had 16 children according to what I have pieced together. He may have had children by other women as far as I know, but I have no such credible report besides those being discussed for his first daughter Elizabeth.
Her second marriage to Dr. George Nicholas has not been documented yet, nor have the exact dates of birth of their three boys. But Robert Carter Nicholas seems to have been born first and after 1725. Elizabeth seems to have died before 1732 and Dr. George Nicholas by 1736.
My mother's first cousin, Brig. Gen. Charles Parsons Nicholas had had access to governor's communications with regard to the family in this period before he passed away in 1976, But I have no details.
The three reports on Leannah Nicholson obviously all have guesstimated dates of birth and only the one for 1750 lists the three Nicholas boys as half siblings, which to be true would mean Dr. George Nicholas would have to be her father and that she was born by a different common law wife to be true.
There are perhaps branches of the Nicholas family that took the spelling Nichols. The name Nicholson is doubtless a patronymic derivation for a son whose father was name was Nicholas, whether first or family name is an open question. But in Wales they generally did not have family names and every son got the Welsh patronymic form of the father's christian name. Whenever a Welshman moved to a town under English administration he was stuck with the English spelling of his patronymic as a family name for all his children and theirs. The spelling was pure guesswork for the English official who may have had to do his best are being subjected to a heavy Welsh accent, that a literate Welshman surely would have written differently. Just as the American speelings of many a German or Polish name has been trimmed to fit English phonetics.

Saw this post, and figured I might be able to help.
First I am NOT and have never searched for "Famous" ancestors.
I believe in documentation,
If things aren't so so be it.

I have been both atDNA and mtDNA tested, its both posted here on Geni
so if any of it helps provve or disprove anything, I'm just putting it out there.
With that said
Robert is my 10th great uncle.
→ Mary Ruth (Green) Sibley (your mother) → Nelda Mai Green (Chadwell) (her mother) → Louis Albert Chadwell (her father) → Dellacinia Angeline (Edwards) Chadwell (his mother) → Mary Angeline (Bills) Edwards (her mother) → Mary Tinsley (Ketchum) Bills (her mother) → Eleanor (Tinsley) Ketchum (her mother) → Sarah (Chisholm) Tinsley (her mother) → William Chisholm (her father) → Constable John "the Constable" Chisum, I (his father)
→ Anna (Carter) Yerby (his mother) → Colonel Robert "King" Carter, I (her brother)

Linda
Sincerely

Dear Linda,
Thanks for checking in.
From the trees of other DNA matches I had Anna Carter b 1661 as sister of Robert "King" Carter and her marriage to Thomas Yerby, So there is other support for an addition here.
But they only inlcude a son, Thomas Yerby and a daughter, Mary, who marries Thomas Hubbard, both born suspiciously late. Hence I seem to be missing a first marriage to y Chisolm and the children from this marriage and the rest down your way.

Merged the extra Elizabeth Nicholas & detached Leanna Spiller as her daughter based on:

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/nicholson/3700/

To descendants of Clinch River Nicholsons and their relatives from Orange/Culpeper County, VA:

After searching for many years, I believe I have found someone who may be a Nicholson sister born in the mid-1700’s.(We have several Nicholson men born in the mid-1700’s- but where are their sisters?)This Nicholson woman may be a daughter of John Nicholson who died on the Clinch River c.1790.Her name was Leanna or Ann Nicholson and she married Warrington Spiller. …

…. As for the assertion that Leanna was a descendant of the famous Nicholas family of Virginia.I believe that the grandmother or Sperry was getting mixed up with Governor Wilson Cary Nicholas of the famous and wealthy Nicholas family who descend from Robert Carter Nicholas.This famous family had two John Nicholas’ that lived at the right time period, but there is no evidence that either one ever had a daughter Leanna, much less ever had any dealings with Spillers, or even lived near any Spillers.A marriage into such a wealthy family would be unlikely.

The Thigpens make no assertion about the origins of Elizabeth Bodie beside her maiden name. I’ve detached her as daughter of Colonel Robert "King" Carter, I

Thanks, ERica! Your corrections fit in with with conclusions, except that Col George Nicholas speculated in steel stocks about the time he moved to Kentucky promoting a company in eastern Kentucky that could not compete with the Pittsburg producers, because shipping the iron ore from northern Michigan to Pittsbueg was much cheaper, while the West Virginia coal cost the same. He died shortly before 1800 very deeply in debt. So much in debt that Wilson Cary Nicholas and his brother-in law, Gen. Samuel Smith had to travel to Lexington KY to straighten things out. Both were equally staunch supporters of Thomas Jefferson, who later had to lend Wilson Cary Nicholas money because of this. In the end all three died impoverished. My 3rd great grandmother Mary Nicholas neé Smith died 1806 in dispair, her youngest children including my 2nd great grandfather, Judge Samuel Smith Nicholas, grew up in his uncle's custody in Baltimore and later moved to Louisville KY, where he was successful and recovered the family fortune.

High drama in the family! I hope it’s been easier since.

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