Best practice re: Sources

Started by Sarto Lupien on Thursday, April 3, 2025
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I am new to GENI. I have adopted a practice when building my family tree on Ancestry.ca, to respect copyright laws whilst identifying where I gathered information and how to access the same source.

From the Gedcom file that I brought to Geni as an example:

9148 2 SOUR @S1450132679@
9149 3 PAGE Famille 78243
9150 1 SEX M
9151 2 SOUR @S1450132679@
9152 3 PAGE Famille 78243
9153 1 FAMC @F1345@
9154 1 FAMS @F1325@
9155 1 BIRT
9156 2 DATE 31 juil 1774
9157 2 PLAC St Jacques, Quebec, Canada
9158 1 DEAT
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131685 0 @S1450132679@ SOUR
131686 1 TITL Généalogie des Français d'Amérique du Nord © Copyright Denis Beauregard
131687 1 AUTH Denis Beauregard
131688 1 PUBL Denis Beauregard
131689 2 PLAC 1223 de Périgny, CP 71, Chambly, (Québec) J3L 4B1
131690 1 REPO @R1404328802@

I do not see that information brought in from my Gedcom document.

I want to know before I keep going further, attempting to correct discrepancies, etc.

- Is this approach acceptable
- If acceptable how to favour the automation of the process (importing the sources)

Thank you
Sarto Lupien

Can you also post the GEDCOM starting lines (the ones before the first person data).
Geni does not specify what versions of the GEDCOM standard are supported, so it could be you are using a not fully supported version.

As far as I have ever been able to tell - the "Documents" Geni creates from importing Sources on Ancestry as part of importing folks from Ancestry are totally useless.
Over the years, they have done it several different ways.
All totally useless except to let you know perhaps a category of record existed on the Ancestry Tree for that record at the time it was imported.

Current iteration - I can see up tp 5 listed, if I click on one, I am told I do not have permission to view it. If I click "View All" I am told there are No Documents (unless some real ones have also been added (those will show).
In my view, this is actually better than showing all those pretend Documents making it hard for folks to register documents that sctually are useful.

It is one of the reasons I much preferred folks use Smart Copy - and loathed (and still loathe) Gedcom imports from Trees on Ancestry that were/are well documented

My GEDCOM file was opened with EXEL in ordre label each line with its rank and later imported in Ms Word for ease of search

1 0 HEAD
2 1 SUBM @SUBM1@
3 1 SOUR Ancestry.com Family Trees
4 2 NAME Ancestry.com Member Trees
5 2 VERS 2024.12
6 2 _TREE Arbre de Sarto L.
7 3 RIN 79031736
8 3 NOTE GEDCom 25-01-29
9 3 _ENV prd
10 2 CORP Ancestry.com
11 3 PHON 801-705-7000
12 3 WWW www.ancestry.com
13 3 ADDR 1300 West Traverse Parkway
14 4 CONT Lehi, UT 84043
15 4 CONT USA
16 1 DATE 31 Mar 2025
17 2 TIME 19:35:08
18 1 GEDC
19 2 VERS 5.5.1
20 2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
21 1 CHAR UTF-8
22 0 @SUBM1@ SUBM
23 1 NAME Ancestry.com Member Trees Submitter
24 0 @I382025605996@ INDI
25 1 NAME Sarto /Lupien/
26 2 GIVN Sarto
27 2 SURN Lupien
28 2 SOUR @S1425343274@
29 "3 PAGE Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935-1980"
30 3 _APID 1,2983::10420801
31 1 SEX M
32 1 FAMC @F1503@
33 1 FAMS @F622@
34 1 BIRT
35 2 DATE & &&& &&&&
36 1 RESI
37 2 DATE 1963
38 2 PLAC Montréal, Québec, Canada
39 2 SOUR @S1425343274@
40 "3 PAGE Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935-1980"
41 3 _APID 1,2983::10420801
42 1 SOUR @S1425343274@
43 "2 PAGE Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935-1980"
44 2 _APID 1,2983::10420801
45 1 OBJE @O160@
46 1 OBJE @O305@
47 1 NOTE Baptême - 57570 - PRDH-IGD Antoine DOYON DOGNON.pdf
48 0 @I42395750846@ INDI
49 1 NAME Joseph Michel /GUÈVREMONT/
50 2 GIVN Joseph Michel
51 2 SURN GUÈVREMONT
52 2 SOUR @S_380011683@
53 3 _APID 1,1091::4456302
54 2 SOUR @S1425423433@
55 "3 PAGE Year: 1891; Census Place: Wendover, Drummond and Arthabaska, Quebec; Roll: T-6394; Family No: 84"
56 3 _APID 1,1274::4610361
57 2 SOUR @S1425343274@
58 3 _APID 1,2983::10421163
59 2 SOUR @S1425377577@
60 "3 PAGE Year: 1901; Census Place: Wendover and Simpson, Drummond & Arthabaska, Quebec; Page: 6; Family No: 55"
61 3 _APID 1,8826::14986309

You have some lines starting with " that could be a problem. If I look at the characters, I'm not sure they are really UTF-8, but that could be a problem with posting here.
lines with _APID will probably not be recognizes by Geni. Also the are multiple sources on the same level, that could also be a problem.

As you are a Pro user you can raise a support ticket (see https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us).
Hopefully Geni staff can help you resolving the issue.

Sarto Lupien
I have absolutely no idea what that ends up creating on Geni
nor what you are hoping it creates.

If you would like someone who is neither a Curator nor in your or the Profile's Max Family to look and let you know if it creates anything they can access, and if so what, I am perfectly willing to look at a few and let you know.

The version of Gedcom that Ancestry uses is indicated at the beginning of the extract I provided. I am not sure how I could possibly change the version. If I were to provide a Gedcom file with a non-compatible version, Gini should inform me, shouldn't they? . N'est-ce pas?

Beginning of the same Gemcon file as read by TestEdit:
0 HEAD
1 SUBM @SUBM1@
1 SOUR Ancestry.com Family Trees
2 NAME Ancestry.com Member Trees
2 VERS 2024.12
2 _TREE Arbre de Sarto L.
3 RIN 79031736
3 NOTE GEDCom 25-01-29
3 _ENV prd
2 CORP Ancestry.com
3 PHON 801-705-7000
3 WWW www.ancestry.com
3 ADDR 1300 West Traverse Parkway
4 CONT Lehi, UT 84043
4 CONT USA
1 DATE 7 Apr 2025
2 TIME 21:38:06
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR UTF-8
0 @SUBM1@ SUBM
1 NAME Ancestry.com Member Trees Submitter
0 @I382025605996@ INDI
1 NAME Sarto /Lupien/
2 GIVN Sarto
2 SURN Lupien
2 SOUR @S1425343274@
3 PAGE Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935-1980
3 _APID 1,2983::10420801
1 SEX M
1 FAMC @F1508@
1 FAMS @F625@
1 BIRT
2 DATE 3 Jan 1940
1 RESI
2 DATE 1963
2 PLAC Montréal, Québec, Canada
2 SOUR @S1425343274@
3 PAGE Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935-1980
3 _APID 1,298

Version 5.5.1 lineage linked should be no problem.
It is hard to check as your profile is private and you did not say for which profile the initial posted part was imported.

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