Earl Gospatric fitz Arkill - Problem: Dates Askew

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If one accepts idea that any of the children assigned to Earl Gospatric and his wife, then either the estimated birth years for the attached children are awry, or the birth year estimates for their parents are way off. As it looks now, Earl Gospatric and his wife were quite old have had children given the date estimate for all concerned.

Also this Gospatrick was the son of UHTRED, son of WALTHEOF Earl of Northumbria & his wife --- (-murdered 1016).

Not the son of Arkil (b. 1055, Sigrida's first husband).

UHTRED, son of WALTHEOF Earl of Northumbria & his wife --- (-murdered 1016):

m firstly (repudiated) as her first husband, ECGFRIDA, daughter of ALDUN Bishop of Durham & his wife --- (----, bur Durham). Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "Bishop Aldun…his daughter…Ecgfrida" and her repudiation by her husband, following which Uhtred married "the daughter of a rich citizen…Styr the son of Ulf…Sigen"[425]. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records *****Ecgfrida's second marriage to "a certain thane in Yorkshire…Kilvert the son of Ligulf" and "their daughter Sigrida…wife of Arkil the son of Ecgfrid" whose son was "Cospatric…[who married] the daughter of Dolfin the son of Tolfin, by whom he begot Cospatric who of late ought to have fought with Waltheof the son of Eilaf",***** her repudiation by her second husband, her taking the veil, and her burial at Durham[426].

m secondly SIGEN, daughter of STYR Ulfsson & his wife ---. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "the daughter of a rich citizen…Styr the son of Ulf…Sigen"[427].

m thirdly ([1009/16]) ÆLFGIFU, daughter of ÆTHELRED II King of England & his first wife Ælfgiva ---. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the third marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "king Ethelred…his…daughter Elfgiva"[428]. She is named as daughter of King Æthelred by Roger of Hoveden, when he records her marriage[429]. Her marriage date is estimated on the assumption that it is unlikely that she would have been married before her older sister Eadgyth.

Earl Uhtred & his [second] wife had three children:

1. EALDRED (-murdered Risewood 1039). Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred", stating that "Aldred" succeeded his paternal uncle Eadulf Cudel in Northumbria[430]. He is named as son of Uhtred by Roger of Hoveden, first of the three sons he lists[431]. He succeeded his paternal uncle as Earl of Northumbria. Simeon of Durham records that Ealdred killed "the murderer Thurebrand" to avenge his father, made peace with "Carl the son of Thurebrand", but the latter killed "Aldred" in "the wood called Risewood"[432]. m ---. The name of Ealdred's wife is not known. Ealdred & his wife had five children...

2. EADWULF (-murdered 1041). Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred"[449]. Earl of Northumbria. Simeon of Durham records that Eadwulf succeeded in Northumbria after his brother Ealdred was murdered but that he was "put to death by Siward"[450]. Named son of Uhtred by Roger of Hoveden, second of the three sons he lists, specifying that he succeeded his brother as Earl of Northumbria[451]. He was betrayed and murdered on the orders of King Harthacnut[452]. *****m as her second husband, SIGRIDA, [widow] of ARKIL (son of Fridegist), daughter of KILVERT & his wife Ecgfrida.***** Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records that *****"Sigrida, the daughter of Kilvert and of Ecgfrida, the daughter of bishop Aldun" (first wife of Eadwulf's father Uhtred)***** married "Arkil the son of Fridegist, and earl Eadulf, and Arkil the son of Ecgfrith"[453]. Eadwulf & his wife had [two] children.

3. GOSPATRICK . Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred", stating that "the third…*****did not attain the rank of the earldom" but that he had "a son…Uchtred whose son was Eadulf surnamed Rus***** who afterwards appeared as the leader of those who murdered bishop Walcher"[458]. He is named as son of Uhtred by Roger of Hoveden, third of the three sons he lists, specifying that he ruled in no county[459]. m ---. The name of Gospatrick's wife is not known. Gospatrick & his wife had one child:

a) UHTRED . Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred", stating that "the third…did not attain the rank of the earldom" but that he had "a son…Uchtred…"[460]. m ---. The name of Uhtred's wife is not known. Uhtred & his wife had one child:

i) EADWULF (-murdered ----, bur Jedburgh). Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred", stating that "the third…did not attain the rank of the earldom" but that he had "a son…Uchtred whose son was Eadulf *****surnamed Rus***** who afterwards appeared as the leader of those who murdered bishop Walcher" and was himself killed "by a woman and was buried in the church of Geddewerde" [Jedburgh][461].

Uchtred Fitz Gospatric, de Allerston
Edulf Rus

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm

This group is so messed up, and simply changing Gospatrck's surname to Arkil is not going to fix it.

I meant to say, "Removing the Arkil surname is not enough."

It's apparent from the way that my descent falls from this OP profile ("Gospatrick who never ruled anything), that it's been conflated with another Gospatrick, son of Maldred and Ealdgyth, daughter of Uhtred the Bold, Earl of Northumbria (died 1016) and Ælfgifu who is a daughter of Æthelred II.

That Gospatrick would be this Gospatrick's father's grandson by his stepmother, the anglo-saxon princess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospatric,_Earl_of_Northumbria

Earl Uhtred & his third wife had [two children]:

4. EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu] (1016 or before-). Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[462], although her father was long since dead when she married. She is named as daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[463]. m ([before 1040]) MALDRED Lord of Allerdale, Regent of Strathclyde, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-[killed in battle 1045])

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MALDRED, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl [Scotland] & his wife Bethoc of Scotland Lady of Atholl (-killed in battle [1045]). He is named son of Crinan by Roger of Hoveden[1367]. Lord of Allerdale. Regent of Strathclyde 1034/35.

m ([before 1040]) EALDGYTH [Ælfgifu], *****daughter and heiress of UHTRED Earl of Northumbria & his third wife Ælfgifu of England (1016 or before-).***** Simeon of Durham names "Algiva daughter of earl Uchtred [and] of Algiva daughter of king Agelred" when recording that her father arranged her marriage to "Maldred the son of Crinan"[1368], although her father was long since dead when she married. Named daughter of Uhtred and Elgiva by Roger of Hoveden, who also names her husband and his father[1369].

Lord Maldred & his wife had two children:

1. GOSPATRICK ([1040/48]-[1075]). Simeon of Durham names "Cospatric son of Maldred son of Crinan" when recording that he was appointed Earl of Northumberland[1370]. Earl of Northumberland from Dec 1067.

- see below.

2. MALDRED . Balfour Paul names "Maldred" as second son of Maldred but does not cite the corresponding primary source[1371]. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. m ---. The name of Maldred’s wife is not known. Maldred & his wife had two children:

a) ROBERT . The History of Richard Prior of Hexham records the devastations of "Eadgarus filius nothus Cospatrici comitis et Robertus et Uctred filii Meldred, principales ac duces" in Northumbria, dated to the 1130s from the context[1372].

b) UHTRED (-6 Nov ----). The History of Richard Prior of Hexham records the devastations of "Eadgarus filius nothus Cospatrici comitis et Robertus et Uctred filii Meldred, principales ac duces" in Northumbria, dated to the 1130s from the context[1373]. The Obituary in the Liber Vitæ of Durham records the death "VIII Id Nov" of "Uhtredus filius Maldredi"[1374]. m ---. The name of Uhtred’s wife is not known. Uhtred & his wife had [two] children:

i) [1375]DOLFIN . The Prior of Durham granted him Staindrop (in which Raby is a township) in 1131[1376]. m ---. The name of Dolfin’s wife is not known. Dolfin & his wife had one child:

(a) [1377]MALDRED . m ---. The name of Maldred’s wife is not known. Maldred & his wife had one child:

(1) [1378]ROBERT FitzMaldred (-[25 Jun 1242/26 May 1248]). Lord of Raby and Brancepeth, co. Durham. m as her first husband, ISABEL de Neville, daughter of GEOFFREY de Neville & his wife Emma de Bulmer (-before May 1254). "Robert fitz Maldred, who has to wife Isabella, sister and heiress of…Henry de Neville" paid homage to the king "for the lands formerly of Henry de Neville", dated to [Mar] 1227[1379]. She married secondly Gilbert de Brakenberg. Robert & his wife had one child:

a. GEOFFREY FitzRobert (-1242). He assumed the name Neville after his mother's family.

- LORDS NEVILLE.

ii) [GOSPATRICK . "…Cospatric filius Uctred…" witnessed inquisitions by "David…Cumbrensis regionis princeps", dated 1124, concerning land owned by the church of Glasgow[1380].] m ---. The name of Gospatrick’s wife is not known. Gospatrick & his wife had one child:

(a) GODEREDA (-after 1129). The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Godereda filia Gospat’c fil Aldreti" in Yorkshire, Northumberland[1381].

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Gospatrick...

There's a tremendous amount of information on Maldred's lineage in MedLands, and it's obvious that "Gospatrick" was a very popular name for their boys.

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