Anselmo II, vescovo d'Aosta - same person?

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Erica Howton too we also worked on the area a couple of years ago considering them 2 different ones but yet still in 2024, Wikipedia insists and says that they are exactly the same:

MP Anselm II, Bishop of Aosta MedLands (-before [1019]).
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MP Anselm of Canterbury
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anselm_of_Canterbury (1033/4-21 aprile 1109) [wiki ita and 69 languages]



What do you think?
after years of experience reading ML.. I can only say that the [square brackets] on the ML dates indicate an approximation easily even more than 10 years.

Looks like you are correct @ Livio

'Burchard[a] (died 20 August 1031[1]) was the archbishop of Vienne from 1001 until his death. He was also the count of the Viennois from 1023, the first bishop of Vienne to hold secular power in the county simultaneously.

Burchard belonged to the Anselmid lineage. He was the eldest son of Anselm (died after 1002), a nobleman described in documents as an "illustrious man" (vir inluster), and his wife, Aldiud,[b] who had been the concubine, about 964, of King Conrad of Burgundy.

Anselm and Aldiud were married around 970.

Burchard's younger brothers were Anselm, bishop of Aosta, and Ulric, who was married to a woman named Girelda.[2]

In addition, the woman named Ancilla[c] who married Count Humbert I of Savoy was probably Burchard's sister.[3]

In early 1019, Burchard removed Humbert as advocatus of the archdiocese of Vienne and gave the position to his brother Ulric.[4]

On 19 August 1019, Burchard and his brother Ulric donated land in the Genevois to the church of Saint Peter in Vienne for the sake of their parents' souls.[5]

Through his mother, Burchard was the half-brother of Archbishop Burchard II of Lyon, Conrad's illegitimate son. He probably owed his election to the see of Vienne to royal preferment.[2]

On 14 September 1023, King Rudolf III and Queen Ermengard granted the county of the Viennois to the archbishop of Vienne. With this acquisition, Burchard controlled the fiscal lands of the county as well as its castle. Rudolf had previously bestowed the county, along with that of Sermorens, on Ermengard in 1011, shortly after their marriage. The county of Sermorens was not ceded to the archbishop.[6]

The French historian Georges de Manteyer advanced the theory that Burchard created the counties of Maurienne and Albon out of the Viennois and enfeoffed them to the families that would be the Savoyards and Dauphins in 1023.[7]'

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burchard_(archbishop_of_Vienne)

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Bibliography

Poupardin, René (1907). Le Royaume de Bourgogne, 888–1038: étude sur les origines du royaume d'Arles. Paris: Champion.

Previté-Orton, C. W. (1912). The Early History of the House of Savoy (1000–1233). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Barthélemy, Dominique (1999). L'an mil et la paix de Dieu: La France chrétienne et féodale, 980–1060. Paris. pp. 419–28.

well, there are so many years to fill..
& in the first line there are also the warning TEXT-TAGs..
and yet I just had to remove the JPGs of the stained glass window of St.Anselm of Canterbury
from Anselm II, Bishop of Aosta

and remove the painting JPG always of st. Anselm of Canterbury
from Anselm III, bishop of Aosta
(son of the one mentioned before Anselm II, Bishop of Aosta)

added by user Private User
(It's been going on like this for a few days now... how she ends up on all the profiles I manage is a real mystery:)

Of course they are not the same, they're a century apart.

Erica Howton

Seems like narrative overrides common sense: they don't even see the 90 years between 1019 and 1109.

Britannica:

"St. Anselm of Canterbury (born 1033/34, Aosta, Lombardy [Italy]—died April 21, 1109."

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Anselm-of-Canterbury

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