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Private User , I don't know who the lead manager is of the multitude for this profile. Since the Overview is locked and I think the following should be added, I'll let you decide the merit of adding it.
— Ken Shelley

Medlands (27 Feb 2024) [https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#E... England, Kings 1066-1603]
13. ELIZABETH (Rhuddlan Castle, Flintshire Aug 1282-Quendon, Essex [5] May 1316, bur Walden Abbey, Essex). The Continuator of Florence of Worcester records the birth "apud Rothelan" in 1282 of "filiam…Elizabetham" to "Alienora regina Angliæ"[826]. Floris V Count of Holland agreed the dowry for the marriage of "Edwardi regis Anglorum...dominum Alfonsum dicti domini regis primogenitum" and “Margaretam filiam nostram” by charter dated 12 Aug 1283, which also provides for the marriage between “Johannis filii nostri” and “eius filiam”[827]. The marriage contract between "Edwardum...regem Anglie...filie sue Elizabethe" and “dominum Florentium comitem Hollandie...Johannis filii sui primogeniti” is dated 1285[828]. The Chronologia Johannes de Beke records the marriage of Count Jan and "Elizabeth…Eduardi regis filia", recording in a later passage that she returned to England after her husband died and married (secondly) "comes Erffordie"[829]. The dispensation for the marriage of “Humfrido comiti Herefordensi” and “Elizabetæ natæ...Edvardi regis Angliæ...relictæ quondam Johannis comitis Hollandiæ” is dated 10 Aug 1302[830]. The Annales Londonienses record the marriage "in festo Sanctæ Katerinæ…apud Caversham juxta Redyng" in 1302 of "Margareta filia regis Angliæ, comitissa Hoylandiæ et Salondiæ" and "domino Humfrido de Bohun comiti Herefordiæ"[831]. A manuscript which narrates the descents of the founders of Lanthony Abbey records that “Humfredus octavus de Bohun, comes Herefordiæ et Essex, constabularius Angliæ et dominus Breconiæ” married “Elizabetham filiam regis Edwardi filii regis Henrici tertii”, adding that she was buried “apud Waldene”[832]. The History of the foundation of Walden abbey records the birth “apud Quenden” of “quædam filia” to “Humfridus de Bohun” and his wife “Elizabethæ…regis Angliæ Edwardi…filiæ” during whose birth her mother died, and in a later passage her burial at Waldon[833]. m firstly (Betrothed 1285, Ipswich Priory Church, Suffolk 18 Jan 1297) JAN I Count of Holland and Zeeland, son of FLORIS V Count of Holland & his wife Béatrice de Flandre [Dampierre] (before 12 Aug 1283-10 Nov 1299). m secondly (Papal dispensation 10 Aug 1302, Westminster Abbey 14 Nov 1302) HUMPHREY [VIII] de Bohun Earl of Hereford and Essex, son of HUMPHREY [VII] de Bohun Earl of Hereford and Essex & his wife Mathilde de Fiennes ([1276]-killed in battle Boroughbridge 16 Mar 1322, bur York, church of the Friars Preachers). He succeeded his father in 1298 as Earl of Hereford and Essex, Constable of England.

Wikitree's Research Notes questions 'of Rhuddlan" and "Countess of Hereford"

"Names: "Elizabeth of England" in Richardson's works and Cawley's database, which both have her born at Rhuddlan, but do not call her "Elizabeth of Rhuddlan", as her Wikipedia article does.[1][2][11][14] "Countess of Hereford" is attributable to Verity, but neither Richardson nor Cawley use that title.[15]"
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Plantagenet-533

I’m curious as to what Anne will say. To me, “Elizabeth of Rhuddlan” just seems weird.

So far in my humble opinion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Rhuddlan

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Elizabeth_of_England,_C...

  • Elizabeth of England, Countess of Holland
  • Also called Elizabeth of Rhuddlan, as this town was her birthplace.

To me, it’s unlikely she’s mis titled in this published article:

Verity, Brad. "The Children of Elizabeth, Countess of Hereford, Daughter of Edward I of England," Foundations, Volume 6, June 2014, pages 3–10.

Cawley doesn’t seems to concern himself with name stylings and titles much; he’s focused on primary source citations for genealogy.

Thanks, Ken -- I'll get the Medlands info into the About.

To my mind, "Elizabeth of Rhuddlan" isn't wrong. I can't find the first usage of it, annoyingly, but the Plantagenets and their descendants for quite a while commonly used birth place names as identifiers.

Now, to be sure, "Elizabeth" wasn't a name that had been in the family, but Edward I and Eleanor apparently liked it. So really, one could have known which Elizabeth she was just by "Elizabeth."

But it's accepted, not wrong, shows up lots of places, and, in general, does not go up my nose.

AND she is also Countess of Hereford. AND Countess of Holland.

All of these names are correct.

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