Query on Michael Finlay

Leanne
Name Michael Finley
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 1796
Baptism Date 19 Nov. 1796
Baptism Place Kingstown, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place Clare
Parish Variants Dun Laoghaire, St. Michael's, Kingstown
Diocese Dublin
Father James Finley
Mother Judy Finley

Leanne
This is not confirmed yet by our family.
Ian finlay 1969 on ancestry.com, has spoken to me on the phone. He lives and breaths the Finlay Family. He been to ireland and research his family. I dont know how , and how people have got Michael Finlay parents as James and Sarah. I wish this is true. I just can't find the connection with them.
Michael was working and married in Dublin. Before coming to Australia marrying Caroline Mccarthy. To best of my knowledge i cant find any connection to Tyrone regions or north of Dublin. Wicklow maybe but not north. His sisters and brother i cant find or connection. I would love to finally move from Michael Finlay to his parents and beyond. Thanks for your time and interest Leanne
Graham

Leanne.
Another piece of information. Everyone on this Geni say Finlay/finley were not catholic.
My records and my family that are related to Finlays are all catholics ( high roman catholic speaking latin). my great grandmother , her father edward Finlay ; michael son are all buried at catholic section of murrumburrah ( this is fact ) . I am 100./. sure my Michael Finley/Finlay is Catholic. I am going to check out Maitland and Gouburn areas, to see if i can confirm this. I am going to try and get edward finlay/finley marriage cert. My late mother said they married near Canberra Catholic Church.
Anyway, if anyone can prove Michael parents are not James and Judy i would opened to their finds
Graham

Leanne and Karl.
Firstly i am so sorry i changed things on my tree. I thought i could do this , to correct the wrong in my tree. I have no DNA matching on ancestry , gedmatch etc to Karl wright, either does my cousins. My opinion is Karl michael finlay could be another convict or another person. I been doing my family tree for over 30 years and over 10 years on ancestry. I been to Ireland searching michael finlay. I am 50% sure his parents are james and Judy. Hope erica fixed everything in your trees. Leanne thanks again for your help. Karl could you please check your michael finlay against other convict and arrival to australia.
Happy new year Graham

Leanne
There is information that michael finlay was buried in paupers grave in Goulburn.
This to best of my knowledge is not true. Goulburn records of the grave are a mystery, not record of any Michael Finlay buried in queanbeyan/Gouburn areas. No church records in goulburn of michael catholic or any other faith
Only court records of michael finlay in goulburn.
My family all think he was buried on palmer farm just outside queanbeyan.
At this stage its 50%.
I am starting to give up on michael finlay in australia , and follwers my leads of james amd judy finlay/finley in dublin area.
Thanks again Graham

Leanne,
Your amazing.
Glad you have taken over this.
Ian Finlay lives and breathes Michael Finlay.
He is the one to ask about Michael Finlay.
Thanka again Graham

"I haven't been able to find the marriage record for either of them to confirm their maiden names were FINLAY"

Do you have a RootsIreland.ie subscription? That is where it is. My subscription is expired an it would cost me $40 to get that record in PDF form. That's a lot to ask to prove a point.

'rather than continuing to create duplicates of these profiles - could you please show your evidence that shows they are siblings.'

I am creating PRIVATE profiles where I may accumulate source information and DNA information for my use. I did not think that would be a problem for people but if that is indeed incorrect please let me know.

'That is where it is'

I was able to find a record for a County Monaghan Church of Ireland wedding between Rose Finlay and Owen McCourt, diocese unstated, dated August 3, 1827 . You will see this in her profile. If you absolutely can't bring yourself to consider that record valid please bear in mind that I found the marriage record FIRST and developed Rose's profile from that, and also Owen McCourt, who has a most interesting history as well. This was before I learned that a Rose McCourt had been convicted in County Monaghan, the very place Rose Finlay had married, nearly ten years later. What are the odds of a coincidence?

I corrected your link to Rose Alice Bennett - Court in "Sarah Ann McLain"'s profile and find the evidence compelling. That death record was the only source of the given name of Rose's mother, so I would like to unlock the names in Sarah Ann McLain's profile, because there is no evidence now that that is her mother's given name. (Her father's name is a different story but it's a much longer one, and has to do with Irish naming conventions. Mary Finlay's profile was created based on those conventions BEFORE I was informed that she too had been sent to NSW. It rather vindicated the family structure.)

'Everyone on this Geni say Finlay/finley were not catholic.
My records and my family that are related to Finlays are all catholics'

It is certainly true that Michael and Carolyn were married in a Catholic service. But --- many of their descendants share a >7cM DNA overlap with many Protestants. And this is DNA associated with my Wright line going back through Protestant Ireland and thence into CofE County Durham and thence Staffordshire. You have to ask how that can be if they've been Catholic for all time. SOME ancestor of the Finlay family HAD to be Protestant.

The choices are limited by the dates. Samuel Wright of Ematris was born around 1711, his first wife Mary Armstrong around 1712. His second wife (Dorothy Wright) he married in 1744 - and we have a marriage record from Clogher for that. The DNA overlap of Michael Finlay's descendants includes known Armstrong DNA too, so we're looking for descendants of the first marriage. Known children include Susanna Wright (married first William Madill and second Hugh(?) McDonnell, no Catholics known among descendants); George Wright (my ancestor, married Isabella McKee, only Catholic descendant suspected became Catholic on his second marriage); Elizabeth Wright, married William Carroll in a CofI Clogher Diocese-recorded marriage, but seemingly converted to Catholicism because all their descendants have been Catholic; and Mary Wright, married first James McLain, second William Cameron, and all of their children were Protestant and emigrated to Philadelphia, with only one possibility staying behind. Last choice was Louisa Wright who married John Johnson; their children all emigrated to Philadelphia as well and didn't turn Catholic.

The only Catholics known out of this are the Carrolls. Most of those emigrated to Baltimore.

So you have two possibilities: (a) Michael Finlay is a descendant of the Catholic Carrolls. But then you need to explain the family structure and also the fact that in County Tyrone and Monaghan most of the Finlays were Protestant too. There are Clogher Diocese Finlay marriages in significant numbers. Or (b) Michael Finlay was born Protestant and became Catholic when pursuing marriage with Carolyn McCarthy.

Because of the importance of this question, I asked Ian James Finlay whether any pre-marriage evidence existed that Michael was born Catholic. All he could find was a census record not long before that marriage, which might not have even been the same Michael.

So I'm frankly not finding any evidence Michael Finlay was born Catholic, and finding a fair bit of evidence he came from a Protestant family. And that changes everything, at least to me.