Ranulph "the Rich" - Renaming profile

Let me work on it.

Dmitry Azikov

Wikipedia is out of date.

Anselme said that Simon was a son of Landri de Senlis[4], but recent research now has him as the son of Ranoul "le Riche". [5]

Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families. Hosted online by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG), accessed 2021, La Bouteiller de Senlis, Seigneurs de Chantilly.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#_Toc40250999

You'll see that Medlands shows a family for RANOUL "le Riche", son of -, m -, with two sons, Garnier de Senlis & Simon de Senlis. Garnier returned to France and had 4 sons of record.

Below this family block in another:

LANDRY . Landry is named in the charter of his son Guy (see below). Nothing further is known about him. According to Du Chesne, Landry was the son of Foulques de Senlis, son of Rothold (see above) but he cites no primary source on which he bases the statement[381]. m ERMENGARDE, daughter of ---. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1082/89] under which her son "Wido miles de civitate…Silvanectis…filius Landrici et Hermengardis…eiusque uxor…Berta" donated land "ad Sordidam villam in territorio…Silvanectensi" to Saint-Martin-des-Champs[382]. Landry & his wife had one child:

a) GUY [I] de la Tour de Senlis (-1124).

That's the older version of the St. Liz genealogy Wikipedia is still showing from the monk in the middle ages, Pere Anselm.

The more current and accepted version is based on the work of Du Chesne.

Wikipedia only cites ODNB for their identification (2004) which is also likely out of date.

You can read Du Chesne for yourself if you like.

[369] Duchesne, Bouteilllers (1878) or (1879).

And you can try to get hold of the ODNB article and its footnotes. But I'm not seeing a reason to accept Wikipedia's interpretation of Simon's parentage.

I'm checking the other language Wikpedias.

French Wikipedia:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Ier_de_Senlis really likes the Laudri de Senlis identification & I can see why! Places them into proximity of the Capetians.

Cites:

1. Matthew Strickland, “Senlis, Simon ( I ) de, earl of Northampton and earl of Huntingdon (d. 1111x13)”, in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography , Oxford University Press, 2004

So now we know for sure the ODNB article is out of date.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_I._de_Senlis tries to be even handed.

The origin of Simon de Senlis is disputed. On the one hand, he is seen as the third son of Landri de Senlis, Sire de Chantilly et de Ermenonville , and his wife Ermengarde, [ 2 ] on the other hand as the son of Ranoul/Raundoel le Riche. [ 3 ]

Cites:

2. Smith 2004 (that's ODNB)
3. duo fratres ... Garnerius dictus le Ryche et Simon de Seynlyz filii Raundoel le Ryche (Dugdale) William Dugdale : Monasticon Anglicanum. Volume 5, Priory of St Andrew, Northampton, I, Incipit de Fundatione Domus nostræ , p. 190

Norwegian Wikipedia links to Wikitree, which has his parents a Ranulph 'le Riche' and for some reason, wife Judith with no support.

Russian Wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD_I_%D0%... has a nicely detailed article with the wrong origins.

And one more from DNB, the precursor to ODNB.

Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 51, Page 248 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_18...
Senlis, Simon de by Charles Lethbridge Kingsford

SENLIS or ST. LIZ, SIMON de, Earl of Northampton and Huntingdon (d. 1109), was son of a Norman noble called Randel le Ryche. According to the register of the priory of St. Andrew at Northampton (Monast. Angl. v. 190), he fought with his brother Garner for William the Conqueror at Hastings. But there is no mention of him in Domesday book, and it seems more probable that he did not come to England till about the end of the reign of William I (Freeman, Norman Conquest, iv. 604). According to the legends preserved in the pseudo-Ingulph and the ‘Vita Waldevi,’ Simon was given by the Conqueror the hand of Judith, the widow of Earl Waltheof of Huntingdon; but Judith refused to marry him on account of his lameness. Simon then received the earldom of Northampton and Huntingdon from the king, and eventually married Matilda or Maud, the daughter of Waltheof and Judith. ....