Mitchell and Helen Winer

Private User

yesterday at 5:27 PM

Private User has posted two recent references to Helen Winer that I have seen.
The first was on 8/14/2024. changing a statement on a Profile's Overview from
""(-We also have in Media a diagram by Mitchell of how he believes he is related to Jess Lacher which includes Frieda, is contrary to documentation and is awaiting DNA evidence that is convincing to more people)."
To
"(-We also have in Media a diagram by Mitchell of how he believes he is related to HELEN WINER which includes Frieda, is contrary to documentation and is awaiting DNA evidence that is convincing to more people)."
Despite the fact the Media still shows Jess not Helen.

The second was a post this morning: https://www.geni.com/discussions/282207?msg=1716415
"YOU DID SCREW UP ON MY FAMILY TREE LAST YEAR FOR HELEN WINER."

Private User

yesterday at 5:35 PM

I believe the Helen Winer he is referring to is
Helen Winer

I searched for previous references and found
1)
https://www.geni.com/discussions/239445?msg=1516109
"GedMatch HELEN WINTER: Leslie : MRCA = 4.6
ME : MRCA = 3.6

HELEN WINER - FLO MILLER - SARAH BERGSMAN - FREIDA KAMM - MARY BLOOM - ROSE NACHMAN - MY DAD - CAROLE - LESLIE"

Also
2)
https://www.geni.com/discussions/239445?msg=1516165
"My wife family and my Freedman (Maternal mom) are in Chicago.

Helen is my second cousin in Chicago.
Mitchell K Siegel Helen's second cousin
<private> Montanile (Eisenberg) Helen's second cousin once removed"

Private User

yesterday at 7:32 PM

Flo Miller is Florence Miller.
Helen Winer is the Daughter of Florence (Bergsman) Miller
That Is supported by
https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-florence-miller-...

Florence (Bergsman) Miller is the Daughter of Sarah (Kamm) Bergsman
That is supported by
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000179742842836
And https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-sarah-bergsman-d...

Sarah (Kamm) Bergsman is the Daughter of Frieda (Kamm) Kamm
This is supported by
--in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 (per Ancestry): Sarah Bergsman [Sarah Kamm] -- Birth Date 21 Apr 1892 -- Birth Place Buchrest Run -- Father Emil Kamm -- Mother Frida Kamm -- SSN

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After that -- FREIDA KAMM is Not the Mother of MARY BLOOM - - do not believe Mitchell is even claiming that now. Not sure he ever did - not sure.

According to the DNA and what Leslie believes, her father is Arthur Nachman, her mother is NOT the daughter of Mitchell's father.

Private User

yesterday at 11:53 PM

Private User - are you aware of the Facebook Group "Jewish DNA for Genetic Genealogy and Family Research"?

There are a lot of experts on analyzing AJ DNA there.
I suggest you talk to them, see what they think about how you are interpreting DNA Results.
Somebody there may be able to explain things better than I can.
On the other hand, if they agree with you, I will re-think my views.

Mitchell and Helen Winer

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