Alianora ‘Eleanor’ (FitzAlan) St. George

Erica Howton C

3/17/2023 at 5:39 PM

< Stirnet: StGeorge1 > A. John St. George (dvp) m. Matilda Cogshall (dau of Sir William Cogshall) i. Sir William St. George of Hatley St. George (d 1472-3, MP) MGH identifies William's wife Alianora as dau/coheir of Sir Richard Arundel. Visitation & BE1883 identify her as ... m1. Elionor Arundell (dau/(co)heir of Sir William Arundell)

What is the evidence favoring Sir William Arundel as he4 father other than Visitations?

Notices of Sir Richard Arundell in 'Collectanea Topgraphica et Genealogica', Vol. VI, 1840, p. 18. https://archive.org/details/collectaneatopo02nichgoog/page/n28/mode...

Shows Alianor, 3rd dau. and coheir, aged 12, 9 Hen, 5, to whom the manor of Brandon fell on partition 17 Hen, 6, 1439.

Under Philippa, aged 16, 9 Hen. 5, died s.p. before 5 Edw. 4, when Robert Willoughby was found cousin and heir of Alianor St. George.

(He was the son of their sister Joan and her husband Sir Thomas Willoughby)

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3/20/2023 at 12:22 PM

Hmm. The Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary doesn't give her as married to William St. George -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Genealogical_and_Heraldic_Dict...

Miscellanea Genealogica Et Heraldica gives Eleanor as married to St. George, and the daughter of Richard -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Miscellanea_genealogica_et_her...

Here's the Cambridge Visitation, with William as her dad -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Cambridge_Ma...

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Ok. So there's the Visitation -- and no, I'm not seeing the information that William is her father anyplace else, AND the Visitation is focusing on the St. George lines, and Eleanor is somebody who married in; she's a Fitzalan, but the daughter of which one is not as important to the focus of the genealogy given in the Visitation.

I would say that there is some conflicting information, but that Richard is her father is more solidly attested.

Erica Howton C

3/22/2023 at 12:58 AM

Thanks, that’s how I thought of it, also.

Alianora ‘Eleanor’ (FitzAlan) St. George - Disputed origins

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