Johanna Maartens, SM/PROG - Alternative Data after merges

Sharon Doubell C

12/2/2022 at 11:18 PM

Birth Date 5 August 1673 1679

12/5/2022 at 11:56 AM

Sharon, Ishe was christened on 8 May 1679, resulting in birth possibly earlier that year. (see ref below)

Johanna JannetjeMaartens:
"Nederland, Indexen van de Archieven, Primaire Archiefstukken (BS en DTB), 1600-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLDV-Y9H7 : 23 August 2017), Johanna Martens, Baptism 08 May 1679, Hooge en Lage Mierde, Noord-Brabant, Nederland; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing Doop-, trouw- en begraafboek Hooge en Lage Mierde, archive 10225, inventory number 55.2, folio; Doop-, trouw- en begraafboek Hooge en Lage Mierde; Regionaal Historisch Centrum Eindhoven.

Daan Botes in Zambia C

12/5/2022 at 11:31 PM

Thanks Johan, I knew that was the answer but just could not find the source
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Job Waterreus C

12/6/2022 at 3:44 AM

For sorces for the Netherlands see https://www.geni.com/projects/Nederlandse-Bronnen-Dutch-Sources/8618 (the Dutch version has more info, you can try using https://www.deepl.com/translator to translate.
The big archive site mostly have a language choice for English.

Daan Botes in Zambia C

12/6/2022 at 5:29 AM

Thanks Job Waterreus - quite impressive!

Sharon Doubell C

12/6/2022 at 5:40 AM

:-) Can you update Johan?

Dr Johan Casper Morgenthal

12/7/2022 at 1:26 AM

Thanks, Job Waterreus, dis goeie raad! Sharon: Will do

Sharon Doubell C

12/7/2022 at 6:19 AM

Thanks Johan.

Sharon Doubell C

12/7/2022 at 6:20 AM

and Job :-)

Hubert de Vos

1/29/2023 at 10:19 AM

I think I'll have to disappoint Dr Johan Casper Morgenthal about his find.
Many transcripts of these old Dutch baptism books make a consistant error of assuming that the patronym of the father (in this case Martens) is his surname. It is mostly later in time that some of this patronyms become 'solidified' as surnames.
So in the case of Johanna Martens, you probably will have to find a father "Maarten"/"Maerten"/"Marten", because again her second name is most likely a patronym and not a surname (eventhough it may (or may not) have become her surname in South Africa).
Also, please, be aware that Dutch women never and still don't take the husband's name officially but are always registered under their maiden name (I have just changed this for Isabella Catharina Degees; the unlikely grandmother of Johanna of whom I only recently became the manager - I'm happy to hand her over to some on more knowledgeable).
I hope this is helpful, because I see there is a high interest in this profile.

Sharon Doubell C

1/30/2023 at 10:30 AM

Disconnecting Joannes Anthonius Maartens and Elisabetha Maartens as the parents of Johanna 'Jannetjie' Maartens, SM/PROG pending the provision of primary sources.

Job Waterreus C

1/30/2023 at 1:24 PM

To add a little to what mentioned above, see https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/601867-new-...

Sharon Doubell C

1/31/2023 at 12:08 AM

Many thanks.

Hubert de Vos

1/31/2023 at 9:22 AM

Thanks Sharon Doubell !
That makes clear that there is a research question here. Does anybody know what is mentioned in the marriage book about her marriage? Where is she from? I have seen at least 3 options:
1. Grijpskerke, Zeeland, NL
2. Grijpskerk, Groningen, NL
3. Hooge en Lage Mierde, Noord-Brabant, NL
If we can clarify her birth place then we can start searching in the baptism records (which I'm happy to help with).

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