Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen - Informational Post (since 'About' is closed)

Private User I can see the curator's note on Judah Katzenellenbogen saying: "He was the older of the two Judah's. Do not merge him with his younger namesake as they have different mothers."

I usually take the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it approach' in these types of situations, meaning that I only make the changes warranted by the evidence at hand, Everything else I leave as it was. In other words, yes, I would leave them both with the same set of parents.

Certainly R' Judah "The younger" Wahl Katzenellenbogen, [ances. of Mendelssohn] is son of Hinda Halevi Katzenellenbogen per the UC 3rd, as quoted. This current investigation has been focused on the Judah Younger line and I have not re-investigated the UC 3rd Edition with regard to all the other offspring of Hinda Halevi Katzenellenbogen Since I don't know the source of the curator comment, I can't evaluate whether Judah the Elder may have been from a different mother, and if so, whether that mother may have been Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen This would be an investigation for another time.

My guess, and this is only a guess, is that at some earlier time, it was determined as illogical that the same father would have two sons with the same name (Judah) from the same mother. Now the evidence is showing that one died young and the second was named after him, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary I see no reason to change the current parentage.

As for Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen I have no evidence of offspring, but I see no reason to remove her as a spouse.

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For the sake of later readers, here is a summary of the evidence-based reasoning behind this edit:

1) According to the 3rd Edition of Unbroken Chain, Chapter 3, page 430:

G5.5 Judah Wahl, called the "younger," as he was named after his deceased brother, married Dreizel, daughter of Simeon Wulff of Vilna, who settled in Hamburg and died in 1682. Judah and Dreizel were distantly related by virtue of the fact that his maternal grandmother, Miriam was a sister of Simeon Wulff's ancestor, the prominent Talmudist R. Moses Isserles, known in the rabbinical world as the ReMa 1520-72 of Cracow, where the family originated. Dreizel the elder was the wife of R. Simha Bonem Meisel (Meisels) of Cracow.

2) According to page 26 of the current (3rd) edition of UC, we find the following:

G5.6 Judah Katzenellenbogen, known as "the younger", was the son from the 2nd wife. He married the daughter of R. Zeev Wolf, son of R. Isaac Bonem's of Vilna. R. Zeev's mother was the daughter of R. Simcha Bones Meisels of Cracow, son-in-law of R. Moses Isserles (the ReMa).

Based on the above and the GENI tree, there are two ways of reconciling these facts: 1) It could be that Hinda Halevi Katzenellenbogen is the second wife of Rabbi Meir Moshe Wahl Katzenellenbogen, MaHaRash and the mother of R' Judah "The younger" Wahl Katzenellenbogen, [ances. of Mendelssohn] or 2) it could be that Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen is the second wife, and the mother of R' Judah "The younger" Wahl Katzenellenbogen, [ances. of Mendelssohn]

According to the locked (and therefore presumably vetted) GENI profile of Hinda Halevi Katzenellenbogen, she is the daughter of Rabbi Pinchas HaLevi Horowitz and Miriam Beila Horowitz (Isserles), REMA's sister and therefore the sister of ReMa. 2) Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen is shown as the daughter of Rabbi Nachum, ABD Ludmir (a fact which is confirmed by the Volodymir Book (https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Volodymyr_Volynskyy/vol022.html#Pa...), with no mother.

Since I see no evidence that Beile Wahl-Katzenellenbogen is the daughter of ReMa's sister, it seems that option 1 is the best way of reconciling the two UC statements:. Hinda Halevi Katzenellenbogen is the second wife of Rabbi Meir Moshe Wahl Katzenellenbogen, MaHaRash and the mother of R' Judah "The younger" Wahl Katzenellenbogen, [ances. of Mendelssohn]

Since there is room for confusion based on the UC 3rd Edition, I think it wise to retain the 'TEMPORARY' post and thread.