Lusia (Wahl Katzenellenbogen) Ashkenazi-Heilprin - Foul Up: Users Be Aware

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These two profiles appear to be the same person: Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin and Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin They have different parents however. Both the woman who is not named in the first profile and given the name Lusia in the second have a sister named Dinah. In the first she is Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel (given Rabbi Naftali Hirsch Katz, ABD Lublin, "Peirot Genosar" as a spouse) and in the second she is Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel (given no spouse). Most likely both pairs of profiles refer to the same person. The problem of the true parents of the first pair has been resolved: Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel?through=3381491#/tab/discussion (however the maternal grandparent situation remains uncorrected as of this writing: Wife of Judah Wahl's (see 'About' section for detail).:

The sentence: "Most likely both pairs.." is a little confusing. What I meant to say is: Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin is same as Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin (I see no strong evidence for the name Lusia so going with Lusia(?) seems sound; and Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel is the same as Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel

If the above is confirmed by a second opinion (preferably in accordance with the 3rd edition of the Unborken Chain) the parents of Dinah Katz Heschel (who is the same person as Dinah HaKohen) remain as are those currently shown for Dinah Katz Heschel (i.e. Judah Zalman Wahl's and Wife of Judah Wahl's The parents currently shown for dinah HaKohen (i.e. Shmuel Yehuda Katzenellenbogen and wife, Shmuel Yehuda Katzenellenbogen) should be disconnected from Dinah Katz Heschel (who is same person as Dinah HaKohen). And the same holds for the parents of Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin (who is the same person as Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin): this persons parents are the same as for Dinah Katz Heschel (i,e. Judah Zalman Wahl's and Wife of Judah Wahl's)

To further clarify, there was a time when Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel the spouse of Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, Head, Cracow Yeshiva was thought to be the daughter of Judah Wahl Katzanellenbogen (see for example the about section of Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel) However, more recent work has shown that this is not true. Most likely, the assignation of parents to Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel who is shown on this profile as the sister of the wife of Abraham Heilprin, is based on this prior, now outdated, information. Meanwhile we know that according to UC, Chapter 1, pages 29-30, Dinah's siblings were 1) Wife of R. Abraham Heilprin, and 2) Rebecca (Rivke or "Rivele de Rebetzin"), the second wife of R. Naftali Herz Gunzberg. This leads me to conclude that the above mergers are fully supported by the evidence as we now know it to be. Finally, wife, Avraham Meisles remains as the daughter of Shmuel Yehuda Katzenellenbogen There is no evidence that she is the sister of Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin and Rbzn. Dina Katz Heschel (see above referenced UC, Chapter 1, pages 29-30.

This confusion should remain on hold until Chapter XVII of the 3rd Edition of Unbroken Chain is released, because that may include new data regarding the spouse of Lusia Ashkenazi-Heilprin (this is because the lineage is upstream of Rebbe Rebbi Elimelech Lipman (Weisblum) of Lizhensk whose family is expected to be covered in the section entitled 'Lejask' from Chapter XVII.

I have made the suggested correction. Please confirm.

Looks good. What you have done is exactly what I was trying to communicate. The descending part of the tree, vis a vis the Heilprin family, should be reviewed for accuracy when Chapter XVII (Lejask) is available.

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