Rabbi Moshe Yirmiyahu Gershon Hakohen Rappaport, Rosh Metivta in Vienna

Randy Schoenberg C

9/14/2022 at 5:55 PM

Is Rabbi Moshe Yirmiyahu Gershon Hakohen Rappaport, Rosh Metivta in Vienna supposed to be Moses Cohen Rapa ?

We need actual evidence for the children, because there was a lot of misinformation published in the late 19th century (as discussed by Wachstein) and so it isn't enough just to refer to someone's attempt at a family tree without historical sources.

Private User

9/15/2022 at 7:36 AM

There have been many books printed about ancestry about the Rapaport family that mention this connection but I have not seen any records or censuses for this family at that time in Italy.

I'm not sure if those two Moshe's are the same or different.

Private User

9/15/2022 at 7:53 AM

In Anaf Eitz Avot written by Shmuel Zanvel Kahana in 1903 (www.hebrewbooks.org/6392). He mentions on page 25 that Moshe Yirmiyah was a son of Simcha author of Kol Simcha. He quotes Yosef Kohen Tzedek in his book Dor Yesharim (https://www.nli.org.il/en/books/NNL_ALEPH001971683/NLI) written in 1898.
On page 6 foote note #3 he mentions that Moshe Yirmiyah Gershon was son of Simcha the author of Kol Simcha.

Randy Schoenberg C

9/15/2022 at 6:40 PM

We need a source from before 1800. Otherwise it is just a guess, and as I said, Wachstein, who studied the actual Rapoport graves in Vienna and wrote about the family, had serious reservations about the claims made in those books written before 1910.

Private User

9/16/2022 at 2:04 PM

It could still be that Rabbi Moshe Yirmiyahu Gershon Hakohen Rappaport, Rosh Metivta in Vienna is the same person as Moses Cohen Rapa The main name of Moshe still exists. Could be the other two names didn't get add for some reason. Or the other names were there to distinguish him from other Moshe Rapa's?

Did Wachstein have access to every single tombstone in Vienna? Were all of them around back then? Or did some not survive? I would have expected many many more Rapaport tombstones to have been found there.

I know that there are two different accounts as to who R' Gershon HaKohen Rappaport, Z'L father was. On Geni (According to Wachstein) it was Moshe Rapa. But some hold it was Rabbi Avraham HaKohen Rapa, of Porto. There happens to be a book with Gershon's father as Avraham and not Moshe - as seen here - https://www.kedem-auctions.com/en/content/ramban-torah-%E2%80%93-si...

I was told that the Rapaport family was huge and had lots and lots of descendants and all of therir names were all Simchas and Gershons and Avrahams and Moshes and it was very hard to figure which one was the son of which.

It's very hard to document these genealogies since not so much documentation to prove these relationships.

Randy Schoenberg C

9/16/2022 at 8:24 PM

I am not sure what you are saying because I think you tagged the wrong Gershon. The one in Wachstein who is son of Moshe (as it says on the tombstone) is Gerson b. Moses HaCohen Rapaport

As I said, there were tons of mistakes, and attempts to connect the various Cohen Rapa families without evidence that are published and have propagated throughout the world. People love to put these lines on their family trees. But Geni isn't about invented pedigrees. We need to sever the unproven lines and wait to see if anyone can come up with real proof, like Wachstein did for the ones in Vienna.

Private User

9/17/2022 at 8:11 PM

Yes, I meant this one [Gerson b. Moses HaCohen Rapaport

I understand that we should find correct evidence. It is very important!

How would Wachstein understand this signature by Gershon Rapaport - https://www.kedem-auctions.com/en/content/ramban-torah-%E2%80%93-si...

Private User

9/17/2022 at 8:16 PM

Maybe Private User can help with this?

Dr. Doron Burshtain, Ph.D. PRO

12/14/2023 at 12:53 PM

It puzzles me. On the grave it is written Bar Moshe, so his father name is Moshe. Why here it is written differently?

Rabbi Moshe Yirmiyahu Gershon Hakohen Rappaport, Rosh Metivta in Vienna - Moses Cohen Rapa in Vienna

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