Rabbi Akiva Hakohen Katz, ABD Saloniki (Alter of Salonika) - Consultation with Professor Micheal L. Miller

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I heard that Dr. Micheal Miller (Associate Professor Nationalism Studies Program / Jewish Studies Program Central European University
Quellenstraße 51, Vienna) is writing a book about the History of Hungarian Jewry.

Dr. Miller is the author of all these books:

Rabbis and Revolution: The Jews of Moravia in the Age of Emancipation (Stanford, 2011), Cosmopolitanism, Nationalism and the Jews of East Central Europe (Routledge, 2014), Moravští Židé v době emancipace (Nakladatelství Lidové Noviny, 2015), Zwischen Prag und Nikolsburg: Jüdisches Leben in den böhmischen Ländern (Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 2019), Prague and Beyond: Jews in the Bohemian Lands (University of Pennsylvania, 2021)

So I asked Dr. Miller whether he could provide any information regarding the origins of Rabbi Akiva the Elder of Salonika (whose grandson is surely part of the history of Hungarian Jewry)..

His only reply was to ask whether I had checked: "Muneles's כתובות מבית-העלמין היהודי העתיק בפראג".

So I am posting this book reference here in the hopes that someone who can read Hebrew may be able to find and review this book for clues about R' Akiva's origins.

Do you have a link to the Hebrew online?

Private User Thanks for the input. I have tried to search for the book here: https://hebrewbooks.org/home.aspx. But my browser is reversing the letter order when I copy and paste so I am having no luck with the search.

The book may possibly be here as well: https://tablet.otzar.org/#/

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the book: כתובות מבית-העלמין היהודי העתיק בפראג".
can be purchased in several places through an online order, it costs: NIS 320(about 90$)

In addition, the book is in the National Library in Jerusalem

But, I didn't understand how a book that has information about Mobtzots in Prague, would give information about Rabbi Akiva Katz,Buried in Saloniki, Greece

Thanks very much Haim. As I recall, HaGaon Rabbi Akiva HaCohen Katz, of Ofen (grandson of Alter of Salonika), did move to Prague, so perhaps that is why this book was suggested. We shall have to wait until someone can access the book.// I, and others, have looked through the book of lists of matevot in Salonika and there was no record of R' Akiva of Salonika being buried there. It is possible that he is laid to rest somewhere else, perhaps near Constantinople. Nothing seems to be certain in this investigation.

PS: I would be glad to find the matzeva of R' Akiva HaGaon as wel (which may be in Prague)l. It would be a step forward to confirm in stone that his father was Yitzach of Galata.

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Thanks,I worked on this branch a long time ago, I will try to check again if it says where he was buried.

Regarding tombstones: As you know, many tombstones were broken, and during the Nazi regime entire cemeteries were destroyed by them and their allies, so we may not be able to locate the tombstone... I really hope we do find.

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I checked, it is written about him in many sources, but no source says where he was buried. His son moved to Prague, so your assumption that he also moved to live there and was buried there is certainly possible

Much appreciated Haim. Considering the lack of information Dr. Miller has on this topic and our lack of findings, I conclude that there is no further historical information available on the prior ancestry of R'Akiva the Elder. There is still the possibility of identifying a modern descendant of R' Akiva to find out if they are in one of the J-Z18271 branches. This could confirm the R' Akiva legend of descent from one of the Aharon HaCohen branches. We've done everything humanly possible, now is it up to the divine plan.

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If you remember: we know that through his father he is son after son to Aharon Hachoen, and through one of his ancient mothers he is a descendant of
Rabbi Yehudah HeChassid
I am his descendant through my grandmother, I thought that through my grandfather I am his son after his son, but Naftali Wakstein told me that The son-in-law of the Maharal from Prague:
Rabbi Yitzhak haKohen Katz, [Maharal s.in law]
There was no descendant of Rabbi Akiva Katz of Saloniki and this is a known forgery that was copied into many books

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